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  • Brother Rando
    Brother Rando Posts: 1,321
    edited December 2022

    Also your reply wording "FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ" Words posted by @Brother Rando (& @Bill_Coley & another previous poster in this discussion) show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as he will not forgive.

    For me to be a stepping stone in the house of my אלהים God (help others worship) would be incredible awesome & worthwhile.

    יהוה Yahweh is God -- Yahweh of hosts is God's Messenger, His Angel that has God's Name In him.

    • Be attentive to him and obey him. Do not rebel against him, for he will not forgive your sin. My authority is within him. (Exodus 23:21)

    God's Angel, God's Messenger, was given authority to forgive sins as the Son of Man,

    See, I am sending an angel before you, to guard you on the way and bring you to the place I have prepared.  Be attentive to him and obey him. Do not rebel against him, for he will not forgive your sin. My authority is within him. (Exodus 23:20-21)

    Which is easier to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk?’  But in order that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,” he said to the one who was paralyzed, “I say to you, ‘Get up and pick up your stretcher and* go to your home.’ ” (Luke:23-24) LEB

    To show you God's angel or messenger that has his Name look at your own Bible!

    • Look, I am about to send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared.  Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, because he will not forgive your transgression, for my name is in him. (Exodus 23:20-21) LEB

    יהוה Yahweh is God -- Yahweh of hosts is God's Messenger, His Angel, His Representative, the Word of God that has in God's Name In him.

    • angel
    • Be attentive to him
    • listen to his voice
    • do not rebel against him
    • he will not forgive
    • my name is in him

    If you choose to go against this angel he will not forgive.

    • For God knows that on the day you both eat from it, then your eyes will be opened and you both shall be like gods,b knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5)
    • The plural (b)  is in the context of v. 22 “one of us” and the plural suffix pronouns ⟦“you all”⟧ throughout the verse
    • When Satan told Eve you will be like “one of us”  he speaking about gods (Genesis 3:5) not God.

    Michael the Archangel is the Bright Morning Star and Satan another morning star grew jealous and envious. Adam and Eve went hiding from Michael who was walking in the Garden as the VOICE of God...whether you call Michael the voice of God, the sound of God, or the word of God or Logos, Michael the Great Prince defends Daniel's People and spoken OF in Isaiah 9:6 with Godlike titles.

    • The logos was the one who manifest in the flesh as the Son of Man.
    • He forgave sins and retained others.
    • This Prince gave good health to the sick.
    • Resurrected the dead.
    • Is the Chief Agent the gives Life to whom he chooses


    because the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ shall rise first,

    Your false claim that Jesus resurrects people (USING) the voice of a chief-messenger is unfounded and deceptive to draw away from the Christ when the benefactors are HIS FOLLOWERS!

    For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (1 Thessalonian 4:16)

    Jesus Christ raises the dead with his voice. The term (shout of command) signifies this is the Commander/Captain/Prince of Yahweh's hosts which are called אלהים gods.

    • By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet,
    • I turned to see who was speaking with me, and when I turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands someone like a son of man, clothed in a garment that reached down to the feet and wearing a golden sash around his chest.
    • Moreover, his head and his hair were white as white wool, as snow, and his eyes were like a fiery flame, and his feet were like fine copper when glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp, long, two-edged sword was protruding, and his countenance was like the sun when it shines at its brightest.


    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 2 Words posted by @Brother Rando (& @Bill_Coley & another previous poster in this discussion) show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as אלהים God.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 2 For me to be a stepping stone in the house of my אלהים God (help others worship) would be incredible awesome & worthwhile.

    @Brother Rando December 3 Also your reply wording "FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ" Words posted by @Brother Rando (& @Bill_Coley & another previous poster in this discussion) show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as he will not forgive.

    For me to be a stepping stone in the house of my אלהים God (help others worship) would be incredible awesome & worthwhile.

    What is @Brother Rando rationale for changing my words "... show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as אלהים God." to "... show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as he will not forgive." ?

    @Brother Rando December 3 he will not forgive

    Is this scripture snippet from Exodus 23:21 related to @Brother Rando rationale for false rendering of my posted words ?


    @Brother Rando December 3 יהוה Yahweh is God -- Yahweh of hosts is God's Messenger, His Angel that has God's Name In him.

    Logos Bible search for "Yahweh of hosts" NEAR God in LEB found אלהים God describing יהוה hosts in 50 verses, which includes: the אלהים God of the battle lines of Israel (1 Samuel 17:45) = אלהים God over Israel (2 Samuel 7:26) = אלהים God of Israel! (2 Samuel 7:27) = אלהים God of Israel (1 Chronicles 17:24) = אלהים God of Jacob (Psalm 46:7, 11) = my king and my אלהים God (Psalm 84:3) = the holy אלהים God (Isaiah 5:16) = אלהים God of Israel (Isaiah 21:10; 37:16; 48:2) = אלהים God of Israel (Jeremiah 7:3219:1516:919:31525:2727:42128:21429:4, 8212531:2332:141535:13181939:1642:151843:1044:2112546:2548:150:1851:33) = our אלהים God (Jeremiah 23:36) = their אלהים God (Jeremiah 51:5) = the אלהים God of Israel (Zephaniah 2:9) = their אלהים God (Haggai 1:14) = their אלהים God (Zechariach 12:5)

    Logos Bible search for "Yahweh of hosts" NEAR (angel OR messenger) in LEB found two verses:

    Zechariah 1:12 angel has context of Zechariah's first vision in Zechariah 1:7-17 LEB =>

    On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, the month of Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of יהוה Yahweh came to Zechariah the prophet, son of Berekiah, son of Iddo, saying, I had a vision in the night, and look, a man riding on a red horse. And he was standing between the myrtle shrubs that were in the ravine, and behind him were red, reddish-brown, and white horses. And I asked, “What are these, my lord?” And the angel who was talking with me said, “I will show you what these are.” And the man standing between the myrtle shrubs answered and said, “These are those whom יהוה Yahweh has sent to patrol the earth.” And they answered the angel of יהוה Yahweh who was standing between the myrtle shrubs, and they said, “We have patrolled the earth, and look, all the earth is dwelling in peace.” The angel of יהוה Yahweh answered and said, “O יהוה Yahweh of hosts, how long will you have no compassion on Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, with which you showed fury these seventy years?” With gracious and comforting words יהוה Yahweh answered the angel who was talking with me. And the angel who was talking with me said to me, “Proclaim, saying, ‘Thus says יהוה Yahweh of hosts: “I am very jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion! And I am extremely angry with the nations that are at ease, for while I was a little angry, they furthered disaster.” Therefore, thus says יהוה Yahweh: “I have returned to Jerusalem with compassion. My temple will be built in it,” declares יהוה Yahweh of hosts, “and a measuring line will be stretched out over Jerusalem.” ’ Proclaim again, saying, ‘Thus says יהוה Yahweh of hosts: “My cities shall again overflow from prosperity, and יהוה Yahweh will comfort Zion again, and he will choose Jerusalem again.” ’ ” 

    Whose Temple was built in Jerusalem ?

    Malachi 2:7 messenger context is in an Oracle against the Temple Priesthood as it is written in Malachi 1:6-2:9 LEB =>

    A son honors his father, and a slave his master; but if I am a father, where is my honor, and if I am a master, where is my reverence?” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts to you, O priests, who despise my name. “But you say, ‘How have we despised your name?’ You are presenting defiled food on my altar! But you ask, ‘How have we defiled you?’ By saying that the table of יהוה Yahweh is despised! When you offer a blind animal for sacrifice, is that not wrong? And when you offer the lame and the one who is ill, is that not wrong? Present it, please, to your governor! Will he be pleased with you? Will he show you favor?” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts. So then, implore the favor of אל God so that he will be gracious to us. “This is what you have done. Will he show favor to any of you?” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts. “Who also among you will shut the temple doors so that you will not kindle fire in vain on my altar? I take no pleasure in you,” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts, “and I will not accept an offering from your hand. From the rising of the sun to its setting, my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is being presented to my name, and a pure offering. For my name is great among the nations,” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts. “But you are profaning it by saying the table of the Lord is defiled, and its fruit — its food — is despised! And you say, ‘Look! This is a weariness,’ and you sniff with disdain at it,” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts. “And you bring the stolen, the lame, and the one that is sick — this you bring as the offering! Should I accept it from your hand?” says יהוה Yahweh. “Cursed is the one who cheats, who has in his flock a male and vows it, but instead sacrifices a blemished one to the Lord! For I am a great king,” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts, “and my name is awesome among the nations.” 

    And so then, O priests, this command is for you: If you will not listen, and if you will not take it to heart to give glory to my name,” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts, “then I will send the curse on you, and I will curse your blessings; moreover I have already cursed them because you are not taking it to heart. Look! I am going to rebuke your offspring, and I will scatter offal on your faces, the offal of your religious feasts, and you will be carried to it. 

    Then you will know that I have sent to you this command, that my covenant with Levi continues,” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts. “My covenant with him was one of life and peace, and I gave them to him. This required reverence, and he revered me and stood in awe before my name. The instruction of truth was in his mouth, and wickedness was not found on his lips. In peace and in uprightness he walked with me, and he brought back many from sin. For the lips of the priest should guard knowledge, and they should seek instruction from his mouth, for he is the messenger of יהוה Yahweh of hosts. But you, you have turned from the way; you have caused many to stumble by your instruction; you have ruined the covenant of Levi,” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts. “And in turn I have made you despised and humbled before all the people, inasmuch as you are not keeping my way, but are favoring your own instruction.” 

    What happened to Levite priests so they favored their own instruction more than reverence of יהוה hosts ?


    @Brother Rando December 3  (Exodus 23:21), (Exodus 23:20-21), '... look at your own Bible!' (Exodus 23:20-21) LEB, ...

    And יהוה Yahweh said to Moses ... Exodus 23:20-23 LEB =>

    “ ‘Look, I am about to send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, because he will not forgive your transgression, for my name is in him. But if you listen attentively to his voice and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and a foe to your foes. When my angel goes before you and brings you to the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, I will wipe them out. 

    When were the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites wiped out ?

    What is the modern relevance of the angel sent by יהוה to guard Jewish people on the way from Egypt to the promised land thousands of years ago ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 13 To me, the angel sent in Exodus 23 could have been Michael the archangel (or one of the six other archangels). The angel in Exodus 23 has Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God's name in the angelic being (NOT forgive sin). In contrast, my forever best friend & redeemer יהוה Salvation = Yeshua = Jesus can forgive sin if a human wants to believe & receive the free ❤️ love gift from Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God. To me, יהוה Yahweh of hosts humbly left Holy Heaven to be clothed in human flesh as The Son of אלהים God & The Son of Man, who is the King Righteous (Melchizedek) and shares " יהוה of Righteousness we " name as it is written in Jeremiah 23:5-6 LEB =>

    Look, days are coming,” declares יהוה Yahweh, “when I will raise up for David a righteous branch, and he will reign as king, and he will achieve success, and he will do justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell in safety, and this is his name by which he will be called: ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 13 To me, the pronoun 'our' in phrase ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’ expresses Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God's point of view as the last two Hebrew words יהוה צדקנו have literal meaning " יהוה of Righteousness we " (consistent with One Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God being uniquely unlike any created human being by having more than one voice, a plural unique God as described in Deuteronomy 6:4).

    After looking at my Bibles again, my October 13 observation (on page 22 of this discussion) about the angel sent in Exodus 23 remains the same.

    A larger context for Exodus 23:20-23 is Exodus chapters 19 thru 24 as Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God ❤️ lovingly instructed Jewish people and confirmed the Abrahamic covenant.


    Noticed @Brother Rando December 3 "Your false claim ..." that did not have any of my words quoted, which has an assertion attributed that was not in my December 1 comments:

    Paul's letters were read out loud to groups of people. 1 Thessalonians 4:1-5:28 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>

    Finally therefore, brothers, we ask you and appeal to you in the יהוה Lord Jesus that, just as you have received from us how it is necessary for you to live and to please אלהים God, just as indeed you are living, that you progress even more. For you know what commands we gave to you through the יהוה Lord Jesus. For this is the will of אלהים God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion, just as also the Gentiles who do not know אלהים God; not to transgress and to exploit his brother in the matter, because the יהוה Lord is the one who avenges concerning all these things, just as also we told you beforehand and testified solemnly. For אלהים God did not call us to impurity, but in holiness. Therefore the one who rejects this is not rejecting man, but אלהים God, who also gives his Holy Spirit to you. But concerning brotherly love, I do not have need to write to you, for you yourselves are taught by אלהים God to love one another, for indeed you are practicing it toward all the brothers in all of Macedonia. But we urge you, brothers, to progress even more, and to aspire to live a quiet life, and to attend to your own business, and to work with your hands, just as we commanded you, so that you may live decently toward those outside, and may have need of nothing. 

    Now we do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning those who have fallen asleep, so that you will not grieve as also the rest, who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, thus also אלהים God will bring those who have fallen asleep through Jesus together with him. For this we say to you by the word of the יהוה Lord, that we who are alive, who remain until the יהוה Lord’s coming, will not possibly precede those who have fallen asleep. For the יהוה Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of אלהים God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who remain, will be snatched away at the same time together with them in the clouds for a meeting with the יהוה Lord in the air, and thus we will be together with the יהוה Lord always. Therefore comfort one another with these words. Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need of anything to be written to you, for you yourselves well know that the day of the יהוה Lord is coming in the same way as a thief in the night. Whenever they say “Peace and security,” then sudden destruction will overtake them like the birth pains of a pregnant woman, and they will not possibly escape. But you, brothers, are not in the darkness, so that the day should catch you like a thief, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. So then, we must not sleep like the rest, but must be on the alert and be self-controlled. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. But because we are of the day, we must be sober, by putting on the breastplate of faith and love and as a helmet the hope of salvation, because אלהים God did not appoint us for wrath, but for the obtaining of salvation through our יהוה Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live at the same time with him. Therefore encourage one another and build up each other, just as indeed you are doing. Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and rule over you in the יהוה Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them beyond all measure in love, because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves. And we urge you, brothers, admonish the disorderly, console the discouraged, help the sick, be patient toward all people. See to it that no one pays back evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue good toward one another and toward all people. Rejoice always, pray constantly, give thanks in everything; for this is the will of אלהים God for you in Christ Jesus. Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but examine all things; hold fast to what is good. Abstain from every form of evil. Now may the אלהים God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your spirit and soul and body be kept complete, blameless at the coming of our יהוה Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful, who also will do this. Brothers, pray for us. Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss. I adjure you by the יהוה Lord, have this letter read aloud to all the brothers. The grace of our יהוה Lord Jesus Christ be with you. 

    Thankfully my inserting of יהוה Lord & אלהים God had me read this passage similar to early groups of believers in our יהוה Lord Jesus Christ. Humanly I can only imagine three beautifully intertwined sounds when יהוה Lord himself will descend from heaven:

    • a shout of command (by Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God)
    • the voice of the archangel (gladly serving Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God)
    • the trumpet of אלהים God (humanly not know who is playing the trumpet)

    One notable difference between my LEB formatting and Koine Greek manuscripts is a space between words & Mixed case. 1 Thessalonians 4:1 in a Koine Greek manuscript looks like => finallytherefore,brothers,weaskyouandappealtoyouinthelordjesusthat,justasyouhavereceivedfromushowitisnecessaryforyoutoliveandtopleasegod,justasindeedyouareliving,thatyouprogressevenmore.

    Ancient writing materials were expensive so spaces were not placed between words, which allowed more words to be written.


    Keep Smiling 😊

  • I claimed יהוה Yahweh is God -- Yahweh of hosts is God's Messenger, His Angel that has God's Name In him.

    • יהוה Yahweh is God
    • God's Messenger, His Angel that has God's Name In him as Yahweh of hosts

    I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions,  because my name is in him. Exodus 23:20-21

     "FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ Words posted by @Brother Rando (& @Bill_Coley & another previous poster in this discussion) show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as he will not forgive.

    Yahweh of host will not forgive or pardon if:

    • You do not Pay attention to him as God's Messenger or Angel
    • You do not obey his voice as God's Messenger or Angel
    • You rebel against him

    Your software admits Logos Bible  "Yahweh of hosts" NEAR God in LEB found the Angel that has God's Name in him. He fights in the battle lines for Israel. Jesus Christ is the "Yahweh of hosts" that slaughtered 185,000 soldiers in one night protecting Israel.

    • angels Psalm Job 97:7 (ᵐ5 ᵑ6 Calv; but gods, Hup De Pe Che); compare בני (ה)אלהים = (thesons of God, or sons of gods = angels Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7Genesis 6:2

    You software even admits the Word of God is an angel: Logos Bible search for "Yahweh of hosts" NEAR (angel OR messenger) in LEB found two verses:

    • On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, the month of Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of Yahweh came to Zechariah the prophet
    • Zechariah 1:12 angel has context of Zechariah's first vision

    Yahweh of hosts.My covenant with him was one of life and peace, and I gave them to him. "The thoughts of the people are rather directed to the sin they would commit by neglecting the intimations of the angel. "My name is in him." It was not a mere creature of Jehovah."

    Certain of the matters on which Jehovah had been speaking immediately before the promise of the angel, assumed that the people would assuredly come to dwell in a land very different from that in which they were now sojourning.

    In the Old and New Testament, messenger and angel are used indistinctly. Christ is the last messenger of the New Covenant and the commander of the heavenly hosts.

    And he said, Nay; but as prince of the host of Jehovah am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

    Your Own Bible admits The Time of the Judgment and the Resurrection of Two Groups Daniel 12:1-2

    • Interesting that Michael is the one standing or arising at the time of the Judgement and Resurrection
    • Now at that time, Michael, the great prince, will arise, ⌊the protector⌋ over the sons of your people Daniel 12:1
    • And many from those sleeping ⌊in the dusty ground⌋ will awake, some to ⌊everlasting life⌋ Daniel 12:2

    Who is that person that Judges and causes Resurrections? Uh-huh MICHAEL

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 2 Words posted by @Brother Rando (& @Bill_Coley & another previous poster in this discussion) show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as אלהים God.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 2 For me to be a stepping stone in the house of my אלהים God (help others worship) would be incredible awesome & worthwhile.

    @Brother Rando December 3 Also your reply wording "FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ" Words posted by @Brother Rando (& @Bill_Coley & another previous poster in this discussion) show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as he will not forgive.

    For me to be a stepping stone in the house of my אלהים God (help others worship) would be incredible awesome & worthwhile.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 3 What is @Brother Rando rationale for changing my words "... show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as אלהים God." to "... show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as he will not forgive." ?

    @Brother Rando December 3 "FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ Words posted by @Brother Rando (& @Bill_Coley & another previous poster in this discussion) show lack of trust in יהוה Yahweh & יהוה Yahweh of hosts as he will not forgive.

    @Brother Rando December 3 Yahweh of host will not forgive or pardon if:

    @Brother Rando December 3 * You do not Pay attention to him as God's Messenger or Angel

    @Brother Rando December 3 * You do not obey his voice as God's Messenger or Angel

    @Brother Rando December 3 * You rebel against him

    Thank you for expressing your faith belief rationale behind false rendering of my posted words.

    Does violating any of the Ten Commandments count as rebellion against Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God ?


    @Brother Rando December 3 I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. Pay attention to him, and obey his voiceDo not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him. Exodus 23:20-21

    What is the modern relevance of an unnamed angel sent by יהוה to guard Jewish people on the way from Egypt to the promised land thousands of years ago ?

    And יהוה Yahweh said to Moses ... Exodus 23:20-23 LEB =>

    “ ‘Look, I am about to send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, because he will not forgive your transgression, for my name is in him. But if you listen attentively to his voice and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and a foe to your foes. When my angel goes before you and brings you to the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, I will wipe them out. 

    When were the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites wiped out ?

    Exodus 23:20-23 NWT online =>

    20  “I am sending an angel ahead of you+ to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.+ 21  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions,+ because my name is in him. 22  However, if you strictly obey his voice and do all that I say, I will show hostility to your enemies and oppose those who oppose you. 23  For my angel will go ahead of you and will bring you to the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites, and I will annihilate them.

    When were the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites annihilated ?


    @Brother Rando December 3 Your software admits Logos Bible "Yahweh of hosts" NEAR God in LEB found the Angel that has God's Name in him.

    Logos Bible search "Yahweh of hosts" NEAR name in LEB finds 23 verses, but none of them mention an angel:

    1 Sam 17:45 Then David said to the Philistine, “You are coming to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I am coming to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, whom you have defied! 

    2 Sam 6:2 David got up and went and all the people who were with him, from Baale-judah to bring up from there the ark of God which is called the name, the name of Yahweh of hosts, upon which the cherubim sit. 

    2 Sam 6:18 When David had finished from the sacrificing of the burnt offerings and the fellowship offerings, he blessed the people in the name of Yahweh of hosts

    Isa 14:22 “And I will rise up against them,” declares Yahweh of hosts, “and I will cut off name and a remnant from Babylon, and offspring and posterity,” declares Yahweh. 

    Isa 18:7 At that time, a gift will be brought to Yahweh of hosts from a tall and smooth people, and from a people feared near and far, a mighty, mighty and trampling nation, whose land the rivers divide, to the place of the name of Yahweh of hosts, the mountain of Zion. 

    Isa 47:4 Our redeemer, Yahweh of hosts is his name, the holy one of Israel. 

    Isa 48:2 For they call themselves after the holy city, and they lean on the God of Israel — Yahweh of hosts is his name

    Isa 51:15 For I am Yahweh, your God, who stirs up the sea, so that its waves roar; Yahweh of hosts is his name

    Isa 54:5 For your husband is your maker, his name is Yahweh of hosts; and your redeemer is the holy one of Israel, he is called the God of all of the earth. 

    Jer 10:16 The portion of Jacob is not like these, for he is the creator of everything, and Israel is the tribe of his inheritance, Yahweh of hosts is his name

    Jer 31:35 Thus says Yahweh, who gives the sun for light by day, the regulations of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea and its waves roar — Yahweh of hosts is his name

    Jer 32:18 showing loyal love to the thousands, and repaying the guilt of parents into the laps of their children after them. Powerful, great, mighty, his name is Yahweh of hosts

    Jer 46:18 As I live,” declares the king, Yahweh of hosts is his name, “one will come like Tabor among the mountains and like Carmel by the sea. 

    Jer 48:15 Moab is destroyed, and his towns have gone up, and the choice of his young men have gone down to the slaughtering,” declares the King, Yahweh of hosts is his name

    Jer 50:34 Their redeemer is strong, his name is Yahweh of hosts. Surely he will plead their case, in order to make peace for the earth, but to cause unrest to the inhabitants of Babylon. 

    Jer 51:19 The portion of Jacob is not like these, for he is the creator of everything, and the tribe of his inheritance. Yahweh of hosts is his name

    Jer 51:57 “And I will make drunk her officials, and her wise men, her governors, and her officials, and her warriors, and they will sleep an everlasting sleep, and they will not wake up,” declares the King, Yahweh of hosts is his name

    Zech 6:12 And say to him, ‘Thus says Yahweh of hosts: “Look, here is a man whose name is Branch, and from his place he will sprout, and he will build the temple of Yahweh. 

    Zech 13:2 And then, on that day,’ declares Yahweh of hosts, ‘I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, and they will no longer be remembered; and also the prophets and the spirit of uncleanness I will banish from the land. 

    Mal 1:6 “A son honors his father, and a slave his master; but if I am a father, where is my honor, and if I am a master, where is my reverence?” says Yahweh of hosts to you, O priests, who despise my name. “But you say, ‘How have we despised your name?’ 

    Mal 1:11 From the rising of the sun to its setting, my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is being presented to my name, and a pure offering. For my name is great among the nations,” says Yahweh of hosts

    Mal 1:14 “Cursed is the one who cheats, who has in his flock a male and vows it, but instead sacrifices a blemished one to the Lord! For I am a great king,” says Yahweh of hosts, “and my name is awesome among the nations.” 

    Mal 2:2 If you will not listen, and if you will not take it to heart to give glory to my name,” says Yahweh of hosts, “then I will send the curse on you, and I will curse your blessings; moreover I have already cursed them because you are not taking it to heart. 

    @Brother Rando December 3 יהוה Yahweh is God

    We agree. Logos Bible search "Yahweh of hosts" NEAR name in LEB includes Isaiah 51:15 For I am יהוה Yahweh, your אלהים God, ...

    @Brother Rando December 3 God's Messenger, His Angel that has God's Name In him as Yahweh of hosts

    Would a Great King יהוה hosts אלהים God of Israel (Isaiah 48:2) be repulsed by your description: e.g. as God's Messenger or Angel ?



    @Brother Rando December 3 angels Psalm Job 97:7 (ᵐ5 ᵑ6 Calv; but gods, Hup De Pe Che); compare בני (ה)אלהים = (thesons of God, or sons of gods = angels Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7Genesis 6:2

    Job has 42 chapters. Reading a commentary about Psalm 97:7 mentioned Psalm 96:4-5 that has => all the אלהים gods of the peoples = idols

    The Septuagint translates the Hebrew ˒elohim in line c by “his angels”; but it seems preferable to take it here in the same sense it has in verse 9b, the gods of the other nations (see 96:4–5).

     Robert G. Bratcher and William David Reyburn, A Translator’s Handbook on the Book of Psalms, UBS Handbook Series (New York: United Bible Societies, 1991), 841.

    Logos 10 Bible Search of Psalms 90-99 in LEB for lemma.h:אֱלֹהִים found 17 verses:

    Ps 90:title A prayer of Moses, the man of God

    Ps 90:17 And let the beauty of the Lord our God be upon us, and establish for us the work of our hands, yes, the work of our hands, establish it. 

    Ps 91:2 I will say to Yahweh, “You are my refuge and my fortress, my God in whom I trust.” 

    Ps 92:13 Planted in the house of Yahweh, they will flourish in the courts of our God

    Ps 94:7 while they say, “Yah does not see,” and “The God of Jacob does not pay attention.” 

    Ps 94:22 But Yahweh has become my high stronghold, and my God has become my rock of refuge. 

    Ps 94:23 And he will repay on them their iniquity, and by their evil he will destroy them. Yahweh our God will destroy them. 

    Ps 95:3 For Yahweh is the great God, and the great king over all gods

    Ps 95:7 For he is our God, and we are the people of his pasture and the sheep of his hand. Today if you will hear his voice: 

    Ps 96:4 For Yahweh is great and very worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods

    Ps 96:5 For all the gods of the peoples are idols, but Yahweh made the heavens. 

    Ps 97:7 Let all who serve an image be ashamed, those who boast about idols. Worship him, all you gods

    Ps 97:9 For you, O Yahweh, are most high over all the earth. You are highly exalted above all gods

    Ps 98:3 He has remembered his loyal love and his faithfulness to the house of Israel. All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God

    Ps 99:5 Exalt Yahweh our God, and worship at his footstool. He is holy. 

    Ps 99:8 O Yahweh our God, you answered them. You were a forgiving God to them, but an avenger of their wrong deeds. 

    Ps 99:9 Exalt Yahweh our God, and worship at his holy mountain, for Yahweh our God is holy. 


    @Brother Rando December 3 You software even admits the Word of God is an angel: Logos Bible search for "Yahweh of hosts" NEAR (angel OR messenger) in LEB found two verses:

    Please reread my December 3 comment, which includes Holy Scripture context for the two verses, then please answer these questions:

    Whose Temple was built in Jerusalem ?

    What happened to Levite priests so they favored their own instruction more than reverence of יהוה hosts ?


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    @Brother Rando December 3 angels Psalm Job 97:7 (ᵐ5 ᵑ6 Calv; but gods, Hup De Pe Che); compare בני (ה)אלהים = (thesons of God, or sons of gods = angels Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7Genesis 6:2

    FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    Job has 42 chapters. Reading a commentary about Psalm 97:7 mentioned Psalm 96:4-5 that has => all the אלהים gods of the peoples = idols

    The Septuagint translates the Hebrew ˒elohim in line c by “his angels”; but it seems preferable to take it here in the same sense it has in verse 9b, the gods of the other nations (see 96:4–5).

    You're admitting that all the אלהים gods of the peoples are idols and Hebrew elohim in line c by “his angelsthe gods of the other nations (and don't even know) your own mouth is condemning you.

    It's Yahweh not Yahweh of hosts getting credit for all these things that you quoted. Yes of course.

    Ps 91:2 I will say to Yahweh, “You are my refuge and my fortress, my God in whom I trust.” 

    Ps 92:13 Planted in the house of Yahweh, they will flourish in the courts of our God

    Ps 94:7 while they say, “Yah does not see,” and “The God of Jacob does not pay attention.” 

    Ps 94:22 But Yahweh has become my high stronghold, and my God has become my rock of refuge. 

    Ps 94:23 And he will repay on them their iniquity, and by their evil he will destroy them. Yahweh our God will destroy them. 

    Ps 95:3 For Yahweh is the great God, and the great king over all gods

    Ps 95:7 For he is our God, and we are the people of his pasture and the sheep of his hand. Today if you will hear his voice: 

    Ps 96:4 For Yahweh is great and very worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods

    Ps 96:5 For all the gods of the peoples are idols, but Yahweh made the heavens. 

    Ps 97:7 Let all who serve an image be ashamed, those who boast about idols. Worship him, all you gods

    Ps 97:9 For you, O Yahweh, are most high over all the earth. You are highly exalted above all gods

    This prayer is found in what is commonly called the New Testament. The prayer begins: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified [or hallowed].” (Matthew 6:9)

    Yet, God’s name, rendered in English as “Jehovah” or sometimes “Yahweh,” is rarely found in English translations of the New Testament.

    So who appeared to Joseph in a dream? The same angel who spoke to Mary. So the angel said to her: “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus.  This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”

    In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son.

    In his translation, Shadwell first used “Jehovah” at Matthew 1:20. His note for that verse says: “The word [Kyʹri·os] in this, and in many other passages in [the] N.T. means JEHOVAH, the proper name of God: and it is most important to restore this word to the English translation.” He also stated: “The honour of God requires it. He has declared himself by the name of JEHOVAH: and we cannot do better than use that name when we speak of him.” He then said: “In our E.V. [Established, Authorized, or King James Version] of the Bible, the name of JEHOVAH rarely occurs . . .

    Instead of the proper name of God, we read, The Lord.” Shadwell claimed: “The Lord . . . is a most unworthy title” to use as a substitute for God’s name, adding that even he is called “The Lord” at his manor, or country home.

    Two Translators Who Restored God’s Name to the New Testament

    So who is most high over all the earth? Jesus as Jehovah of hosts or JEHOVAH whom Jesus represents as the Word?

    For you, O Yahweh, are most high over all the earth. You are highly exalted above all אלהים gods. W. Hall Harris III et al., eds., The Lexham English Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012), Ps 97:9.

     that they may know that you, whose name is Yahweh, you alone, are the Most High over the whole earth W. Hall Harris III, Elliot Ritzema, et al., eds., The Lexham English Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012), Ps 83:18.


    • For you, O Jehovah, are the Most High over all the earth; You are exalted far above all other אלהים gods. Ps 97:9.
    • May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. Ps 83:18.

    But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”

    Many of the terms or phases come from Bible Scripture. I have your back, you have my support, or you have my backing comes from the phrase God is your throne forever. Did not Jesus ask God for such things?

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Brother Rando December 4 You're admitting that all the אלהים gods of the peoples are idols and Hebrew elohim in line c by “his angels” the gods of the other nations (and don't even know) your own mouth is condemning you.

    Repeating a question evaded by @Brother Rando many times: What scripture shows אלהים (NOT 'sons of אלהים') describing angel(s) ?

    Noticed my commentary source was not quoted by @Brother Rando (who treated UBS source as my own, which is a false rendering)

     Robert G. Bratcher and William David Reyburn, A Translator’s Handbook on the Book of Psalms, UBS Handbook Series (New York: United Bible Societies, 1991), 841.

    Has Watchtower Society (JW.org) assimilated Jewish belief shown in the Septuagint translation as their unstated source for אלהים angelic belief ?

    Septuagint has translation of אֱלִילִ֑ים (worthless gods/idols) as δαιμόνια (demons).

    Psalm 95:5 LES => For all the gods of the nations are demons, but the Lord made the heavens.

    Agree with @Brother Rando that someone is condemning self (our human ❤️ hearts are stubbornly deceitful). Jeremiah 17:5-11 LEB =>

    Thus says יהוה Yahweh, 

    “Cursed is the person who trusts in humankind and makes flesh his strength, and turns aside his heart from יהוה Yahweh. And he will be like a juniper in the wilderness, and he will not see when good comes, and he will dwell in the parched places in the desert, in a land of salt flats, where no one lives. Blessed be the person who trusts in יהוה Yahweh, and יהוה Yahweh is his trust. For he will be like a tree planted by water, and to the stream it sends its roots, and it will not fear when heat comes, and its leaves will be luxuriant, and in the year of drought it will not be anxious, and it will not cease from the bearing of fruit. The heart is deceitful more than anything else, and it is disastrous. Who can understand it? I, יהוה Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart, and give to each one according to his way, according to the fruit of his deeds. Like a partridge that hatches eggs it did not lay is one who amasses wealth without justice. In the middle of his days it will leave him, and at his end he will prove to be a fool.” 

    My prayers ask Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God to help me ❤️ Love Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God with all my heart, all my mind, all my soul, & all my strength so I can worship Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God. I know I need Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God's help to overcome my deceitful ❤️ heart.



    @Brother Rando December 4 So who appeared to Joseph in a dream?

    An unnamed angel of יהוה is in Matthew 1:18-25 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>

    Now the birth of Jesus Christ occurred in this way. His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant by the Holy Spirit. So Joseph her husband, being righteous and not wanting to disgrace her, intended to divorce her secretly. But as he was considering these things, behold, an angel of the יהוה Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying,

    “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for what has been conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. And she will give birth to a son, and you will call his name ‘Jesus,’ because he will save his people from their sins.”

    Now all this happened in order that what was spoken by the יהוה Lord through the prophet would be fulfilled, saying,

    “Behold, the virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Emmanuel,”

    which is translated, “אלהים God with us.”

    And Joseph, when he woke up from sleep, did as the angel of the יהוה Lord commanded him, and he took his wife and did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. 

    Who is the physical human father of יֵשׁוּעַ Yeshua, a son born to Mary who will save His people from their sins (Holy redeemer) ?

    Logos Bible search "Yahweh of hosts" NEAR redeemer in LEB finds 4 verses:

    Isa 44:6 Thus says Yahweh, the king of Israel, and its redeemer, Yahweh of hosts: “I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no god besides me. 

    Isa 47:4 Our redeemer, Yahweh of hosts is his name, the holy one of Israel. 

    Isa 54:5 For your husband is your maker, his name is Yahweh of hosts; and your redeemer is the holy one of Israel, he is called the God of all of the earth. 

    Jer 50:34 Their redeemer is strong, his name is Yahweh of hosts. Surely he will plead their case, in order to make peace for the earth, but to cause unrest to the inhabitants of Babylon. 


    @Brother Rando December 4 The same angel who spoke to Mary.

    Humanly I do not know if Gabriel was the unnamed angel of יהוה sent ~3 months later to Joseph. Gabriel was named twice in Daniel 8:16; 9:21 for vision explanations & likely Gabriel was sent again with end time explaination (per Daniel 10:13). Prayerfully pondering angel of the יהוה Lord words spoken to Joseph shows "do not be afraid" described actions for Joseph to do, but did not tell Joseph what to think about an angel of the יהוה Lord. Humanly wonder if the great prince of Jewish people, Michael the archangel with flaming sword, had been sent to Joseph for obedience inspiration about actions to do (overcome fear of any human words & actions), especially get up & flee now as it is written in Matthew 2:13-23 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord)  =>

    Now after they had gone away, behold, an angel of the יהוה Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph, saying,

    “Get up, take the child and his mother and flee to Egypt, and stay there until I tell you. For Herod is about to seek the child to destroy him.”

    So he got up and took the child and his mother during the night and went away to Egypt. And he was there until the death of Herod, in order that what was said by the יהוה Lord through the prophet would be fulfilled, saying, 

    “Out of Egypt I called my son.” 

    Then Herod, when he saw that he had been deceived by the wise men, became very angry, and he sent soldiers and executed all the children in Bethlehem and in all the region around it from the age of two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined precisely from the wise men. Then what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled, saying, 

    “A voice was heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and she did not want to be comforted, because they exist no longer.” 

    Now after Herod had died, behold, an angel of the יהוה Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying,

    “Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were seeking the life of the child are dead.”

    So he got up and took the child and his mother and entered the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there, and being warned in a dream, he took refuge in the regions of Galilee. And he came and lived in a town called Nazareth, in order that what was said by the prophets would be fulfilled: “He will be called a Nazarene.” 

    The angel Gabriel was sent to Mary as it is written in Luke 1:26-38 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>

    Now in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from אלהים God to a town of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin legally promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of the house of David. And the name of the virgin was Mary.

    And he came to her and said, “Greetings, favored one! The יהוה Lord is with you.”

    But she was greatly perplexed at the statement, and was pondering what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, 

    “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with אלהים God. And behold, you will conceive in the womb and will give birth to a son, 

    and you will call his name Jesus. This one will be great, and he will be called the Son of the Most High, and the יהוה Lord אלהים God will give him the throne of his father David. And he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end. 

    And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I have not had sexual relations with a man?”

    And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore also the one to be born will be called holy, the Son of אלהים God. And behold, your relative Elizabeth — she also has conceived a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren. For nothing will be impossible with אלהים God.” 

    So Mary said, “Behold, the Lord’s female slave! May it happen to me according to your word.”

    And the angel departed from her. 

    What contextual scripture snippets in Luke 1:26-38 were left out by @Brother Rando ?

    @Brother Rando December 4 So the angel said to her: “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus.  This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”

    @Brother Rando December 4 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son.

    Noticed English translators inserted an indefinite article for "a son" translation of two Koine Greek words "τέξῃ υἱόν" "you will give birth son"

    τέξῃ verb, future, middle, indicative, 2nd person, singular "you will give birth"

    υἱόν noun, accusative, singular, masculine "son"



    @Brother Rando December 4 In his translation, Shadwell first used “Jehovah” at Matthew 1:20. His note for that verse says: “The word [Kyʹri·os] in this, and in many other passages in [the] N.T. means JEHOVAH, the proper name of God: and it is most important to restore this word to the English translation.” He also stated: “The honour of God requires it. He has declared himself by the name of JEHOVAH: and we cannot do better than use that name when we speak of him.” He then said: “In our E.V. [Established, Authorized, or King James Version] of the Bible, the name of JEHOVAH rarely occurs . . .

    @Brother Rando December 4 Instead of the proper name of God, we read, The Lord.” Shadwell claimed: “The Lord . . . is a most unworthy title” to use as a substitute for God’s name, adding that even he is called “The Lord” at his manor, or country home.

    Curious about the absence of various 'A literal translation of the New Testament' editions by Herman Heinfetter (pseudonym for Frederick Parker, who used the Griesbach recension of the Vatican manuscript) from the JW.org online Bible library ? possibly superceded by the New World Translation ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus November 19 How many in the original Jewish audience knew יהוה occurences (6,828) in the Hebrew Bible had been usually translated into Greek Septuagint (LXX) as κύριος kuriŏs Lord (92%) & sometimes as θεός thĕŏs God (4%) a couple centuries before יֵשׁ֔וּעַ spoke the sermon on the mount ?

    @Brother Rando November 2 I noticed that None of your Bibles have God's Name יהוה in the New Testament. 

    Remember my November 3 reply has Matthew 4:1-11 scripture quotes from The Hebrew New Testament (has יהוה), Complete Jewish Bible (has Adonai, Hebrew word spoken for יהוה), Holy Scriptures: Tree of Life Version (also has Adonai), The Scriptures (has יהוה), The Complete Messianic Aleph Tav Scriptures (has Paleo-Hebrew letters for יהוה). Wikipedia Sacred Name Bible article mentions more: e.g. LEB transliteration Yahweh



    @Brother Rando December 4 So who is most high over all the earth? Jesus as Jehovah of hosts or JEHOVAH whom Jesus represents as the Word?

    Isa 54:5 For your husband is your maker, his name is Yahweh of hosts; and your redeemer is the holy one of Israel, he is called the God of all of the earth.

    Whose Kingly Glory is visible around the whole earth ? as it is written in Isaiah 6:1-5 LEB =>

    In the year of the death of Uzziah the king, I saw the יהוה Lord sitting on a high and raised throne, and the hem of his robe was filling the temple. Seraphs were standing above him. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And the one called to the other and said, 

    “Holy, holy, holy is יהוה Yahweh of hosts! The whole earth is full of his glory.” 

    And the pivots of the thresholds shook from the sound of those who called, and the house was filled with smoke. 

    And I said, “Woe to me! For I am destroyed! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I am living among a people of unclean lips, for my eyes have seen the king, יהוה Yahweh of hosts!” 

    Who shares " יהוה Righteousness of we " name ? as it is written in Jeremiah 23:5-6 LEB =>

    Look, days are coming,” declares יהוה Yahweh, “when I will raise up for David a righteous branch, and he will reign as king, and he will achieve success, and he will do justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell in safety, and this is his name by which he will be called: ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’

    To me, the pronoun 'our' in phrase ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’ expresses Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God's point of view as the last two Hebrew words יהוה צדקנו have literal meaning " יהוה Righteousness of we " (consistent with One Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God being uniquely unlike any created human being by having more than one voice, a plural unique God as described in Deuteronomy 6:4).

    My forever best friend & redeemer יהוה Hosts = יהוה Salvation = יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua = Jesus can forgive sin if a human wants to repent from their sin against Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God, believe יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua is יהוה Lord & receive the free ❤️ love gift from Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God. To me, יהוה Hosts humbly left Holy Heaven to be clothed in human flesh as The Son of אלהים God & The Son of Man, who is King Righteous (Melchizedek).


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  • FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    Repeating a question evaded by @Brother Rando many times: What scripture shows אלהים (NOT 'sons of אלהים') describing angel(s) ?

    I have shown you several times. I will quote from your reply about אלהים gods in reference including angels.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    Job has 42 chapters. Reading a commentary about Psalm 97:7 mentioned Psalm 96:4-5 that has => all the אלהים gods of the peoples = idols

    The Septuagint translates the Hebrew ˒elohim in line c by “his angels”; but it seems preferable to take it here in the same sense it has in verse 9b, the gods of the other nations (see 96:4–5).

    So you had listed the אלהים gods of the peoples = idols, the Hebrew ˒elohim in line c by “his angels”, and the gods of the other nations.

    I then responded with this quote @Brother Rando December 3 angels Psalm Job 97:7 (ᵐ5 ᵑ6 Calv; but gods, Hup De Pe Che); compare בני (ה) אלהים = (thesons of God, or sons of gods = angels Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7Genesis 6:2

    • the Hebrew ˒elohim אלהים  in line c by “his angels"
    • Ps 97:7 Let all who serve an image be ashamed, those who boast about idols. Worship him, all you gods
    • And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “And let all the angels of God worship him.

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 4 Repeating a question evaded by @Brother Rando many times: What scripture shows אלהים (NOT 'sons of אלהים') describing angel(s) ?

    @Brother Rando December 4 I have shown you several times. 

    Since your first post in this thread on June 2021 (on page 15), your comments have expressed your faith beliefs, but @Brother Rando has not answered many of my questions. Primary for my faith belief is Holy scripture in context (especially original languages). I have learned snippets of scripture can be put together for disastrous purposes: e.g. Curse אלהים God and die. (Job 2:9) Go and do likewise. (Luke 10:37) What you are doing, do quickly. (John 13:27). I am amazed how poor, grieving, sickly Job answered his wife's directive: "You speak like one of the foolish women speaks. Indeed, should we receive the good from אלהים God, but not receive the evil?" (Job 2:10). I am still learning how to love myself as Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God ❤️ loves me so I can ❤️ love my neighbor as myself, which includes imitating the good Samaritan. Tremendously sad for Judas Iscarot, who betrayed יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua for 30 pieces of silver (earlier Judas Iscarot had experienced many Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God miracles when יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua sent out the disciples). Can someone willfully reject Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God redemption & salvation ? Yes, sadly I agree with יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua "It would be better for him if that man had not been born." (Matthew 26:24). I have no desire for anyone to join the eternal torment of Judas Iscarot (or Charles Taze Russell). Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God eternal truth is always true. Prayerfully searching scriptures to learn more about Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God & personally grow is worthwhile.

    @Brother Rando July 11 c. angels Psalm Job 97:7 (ᵐ5 ᵑ6 Calv; but gods, Hup De Pe Che); compare בני (ה)אלהים = (thesons of God, or sons of gods = angels Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7Genesis 6:2,4 (J; so ᵐ5 Books of Enoch & Jubilees Philo Jude Jude 1:6 2Peter 2:4 JosAnt. i. 3. 1, most ancient fathers and modern critics; against usage are sons of princes, mighty men, Onk and Rab.; sons of God, the pious, Theod Chrys Jerome Augustine Luther Calv Hengst; ᵐ5L read οἱ υιὁὶ τοῦ Θεοῦ), compare בני אלים.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 What scripture shows elohim describing angels ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 Searching the Lexham English Bible for phrase "the sons of God" finds seven verses: (includes Old Testamen verses in July 11 c. angels)

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohim) - Genesis 6:2Genesis 6:4Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (Israel) - Deuteronomy 32:8

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohe) - Psalm 89:6

    @Brother Rando July 14 So now you SEE that sons are speaking about angels.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 15 Sons of Elohim are NOT Elohim. What scripture shows Elohim describing angels ?

    @Brother Rando July 15 Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. The Hebrew Word for "gods" here is in fact elohim. אֱלֹהִ֣ים

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 15 Sons of Elohim are NOT Elohim. What scripture shows Elohim (NOT 'sons of Elohim') describing angels ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 15 יהוה Salvation (Jesus) provided truthful explanation about Psalm 82 " If he called them ‘gods’ to whom the word of God came" in John 10:22-42 LEB 

    Page 21 had my אלהים question asked a dozen times, but NO Hebrew scripture was shown by @Brother Rando that has אלהים (NOT 'sons of אלהים') describing angel(s).

    On page 22, I rephrased my question using אלהים (asked five times) & added a singular son variant (asked twice). Lacking from @Brother Rando was scripture to simply answer my questions.

    @Brother Rando July 29 All the angels are of God אלהים are (gods). 

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus August 3 What scripture shows אלהים (NOT 'sons of אלהים') describing angels ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus August 3 Your assertion matches Watchtower Society assertion "gods are applied to angels," without any scripture support.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 12 What scripture shows אלהים God (NOT 'sons of אלהים God') describing angel(s) ?

    @Brother Rando October 12 I have access to Logos also:

    @Brother Rando October 12 Elohim אלהים can also be used to refer or allude to angels or other heavenly beings. The Hebrew phrase used in these translations (בְּנֵ֣י אֵלִ֑ים, beney elim, literally “sons of God”), can be translated several ways. In Psalm 29:1, the phrase is translated “heavenly beings” or “sons of the mighty”; likewise, in Job 1:6, this phrase is translated “sons of God” or “angels.”

    @Brother Rando October 12 Benjamin D. Bratka, “Elohim,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016).

    @Brother Rando October 12 If the sons of God are angels, then the Son of God is an angel... 😀

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 13 What scripture shows son - singular being an angel ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 13 The complete Elohim dictionary article is:

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 13 The complete “Elohim,” article does NOT answer: What scripture shows אלהים God (NOT 'sons of אלהים God') describing angel(s) ?

    Page 23 had me ask about אלהים five more times.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 25 We agree 'sons of אלהים') can describe angels (consistent with snippet from The Lexham Bible Dictionary).

    Page 24 had other items.

    Page 25 had me repeat this אלהים question once again along with another related question.

    @Brother Rando November 25 So your findings that Mary gave birth to (a sonאלהים God and this child was given the Name Jesus by Gabriel who is part of אלהים God

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus November 28 What scripture shows אלהים (NOT 'sons of אלהים') describing angel(s) ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus November 28 Without scripture support for אלהים describing angel(s), what is the truth value of @Brother Rando assertion 'Gabriel who is part of אלהים God' ?

    Page 26 had me repeat this אלהים question for the 24th time.

    Appears Watchtower Society assertion "gods are applied to angels," is based on human Jewish scholars translating אלהים gods as angels twice in the Greek Septuagint a couple centuries before יֵשׁוּעַ Yeshua was a son born to Mary who will save His people from their sins (Holy redeemer).

    Psalm 97:7 LEB => Let all who serve an image be ashamed, those who boast about idols. Worship him, all you אלהים gods.

    Psalm 96:7 LES => Let them be dishonored, all those who worship carved idols, those who pride themselves in their idols. Worship him, all his angels! 

    Psalm 138:1 LEB => I give you thanks with my whole heart; before the אלהים gods I sing your praise. 

    Psalm 137:1 LES => I will give thanks to you, O Lord, with my whole heart, because you heard the words of my mouth; and before angels I will sing psalms to you

    To me, every Bible translation is human commentary on original language scripture, which always embeds human faith belief. Notorious eisegesis is the New World Translation embedding Watchtower Society faith belief about Michael the archangel.

    Does a Big God and a little god mean the Watchtower Society really worships two deities ?


    If truly יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua is יהוה Lord (not an angel), would יהוה Lord Yeshua be Righteously angry with anyone teaching יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua is not a voice in one unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God ?


    For William J. Schnell, a heart attack in 1952 provided reason for faith in יהוה Lord Yeshua, so he rejected 30 years of Watchtower Society service:

    Chapter 8

    WHICH IS TRUE: HELL IS A PLACE OF ETERNAL PUNISHMENT IN TORMENT, OR HELL IS THE GRAVE?

    Do Not Accept Doctrine by Reasoning

    Never rationalize a doctrine of historic Christianity with its opposite heretical doctrine in comparison! If you do so, you unconsciously give room to the doctrine of heresy in your thinking. Heretical doctrines have remained alive because defenders of doctrines of historic Christianity have done so in the past. Why is this so? Why has the controversy continued without conclusion when in speaking about the Christian doctrine of the deity of Christ, the apostle could close out all argument about the matter by saying “that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor. 12:3)?

    All doctrines “once delivered unto the saints” have remained dominant within the precincts of historic Christianity, because they are accepted by faith as the truth revealed by our Lord Jesus, the apostles and prophets. It was sufficient for Timothy to have the apostle Paul admonish him, “Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard from me, in faith and love which is in. Christ Jesus. That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Spirit which dwelleth in us” (2 Tim. 1:13, 14). Why then, have these doctrines remained dominant? Because the Holy Spirit upheld them within the believing hearts of Christians ever thereafter, as generation came, and generation went.

    Doctrines of Heresy Brought In by Demons

    To say that there is a “theology” of the cults is a gross misnomer, and shows a complete lack of understanding of the cults. Doctrines “of demons” came in early to oppose true Christian doctrines. What are these doctrines? These are the views of man or men, and not of God, which are believed by others because they become convinced by specious “reasonings” which tickled their ears. Looking for something new many listen to what is said about new doctrines. Finally, they accept them. Why? They like human reasonings better than to exercise faith in the Lord and His word. They are followers of men in a natural way, and accept “hearsay” more readily than revelation.

    Heretical doctrines are only possible as such, apart from revealed truth, in the position of error in opposition to truth. Men raise doctrines in order to pervert true doctrines. In this manner they employ the techniques of demons, or of Satan, whose title means “opposer.” They use the Scriptures in the way the devil does, quoting wrongly in order to deceive. Thus it is inherently impossible to discuss the doctrines of the cults rationally by comparing them with the doctrines once delivered to the saints. Here is why it will fail.

    Two Kinds of Knowledge

    In other words, there are two kinds of knowledge: (1) true knowledge as revealed by Christ Jesus, the apostles and prophets, and (2) false knowledge in the form of conclusions through the process of faulty “reasonings” or reasoning from false premises. How can that be shown conclusively?

    For thirty years I was one of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I not only had accepted their doctrines, but was quite effective in teaching them to others, winning several hundred into the cult. Not only was I able to instill these false doctrines into the thinking of new converts, but to teach whole congregations to go out and win others. Thus the fact that I could successfully teach their doctrines and cause others to embrace them proves that I did know them.

    Thus I worked for the propagation of heresy. In this same manner as do all good Jehovah’s Witnesses, so also I worked for salvation. It was with me a very serious matter, as it is with many Jehovah’s Witnesses today. In the course of time, alas, I never received assurance of salvation. Increasingly, this worried me. A heart attack laid me low, and very much like many other men before, in sickness I was arrested in my foolish way. After rising from my sick bed I was a different man. In the face of death and the grave, I had come free from sin and death.

    By 1952 I despaired completely of implementing that experience, and in prayer that night of April 18, I abjectly repented my wrong course of life of thirty years. I frankly asked to be saved, to “have my soul within me delivered,” as Hezekiah called it. What I had not been able to do in thirty years of hard work, the Lord did for me that night. He saved my soul. I came free.

    Lord Takes Hold to Teach New Kind of Knowledge

    How was I saved? Was I saved by the reasonings of some man? No, I was saved by faith in the Lord Jesus. Note, only then did the hand of the Lord take hold of me. By making the situation he caused me to be put into circumstances where “the water of truth” in the past seven years has totally washed away all errors. By His grace I not only have found salvation, but also light and truth. I have subsequently come into a new kind of knowledge, learning to appreciate and understand fully the doctrines of historic Christianity.

    The Lord has thus placed me into a unique position. I have now, by His grace, complete comprehension of two kinds of knowledge. Being born again, the Holy Spirit works and dwells within me, fructifying the knowledge of the doctrines of historic Christianity. Thus the doctrines of Christianity are now upheld by the Holy Spirit in my heart by faith. In my memory, sharper than ever, I retain the doctrines of heresy which I so indelibly stamped into it. I have now come to maturity “in Christ” and thus I can, right within me, review both sets of doctrines; and I confess that in every instance the Holy Spirit convinces me of the excellency of the doctrines of historic Christianity. Thus the Holy Spirit has become the power to uphold the true doctrines in my heart. Not only has the battle been joined in the past seven years since I came free, but it has been won by revelation and light and truth.

    One can only talk out of the fulness of his heart, and describe only what has happened. Be not surprised therefore, if I have used in writing this book the pattern as it was spun within me to bring me to the light. Note the plan? In Chapter 6, I portrayed the doctrine of Christianity of Hell as a place of eternal punishment in torment and in Chapter 7, I allowed the Jehovah’s Witnesses through their textbook, MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS, to do their best to assert that HELL IS THE GRAVE. Which of the two shines in the greater excellency? Behold, and see, and experience how the Holy Spirit will uphold the true doctrine in your heart.

    Recapitulating the Truth

    The wrath of God came upon man when he sinned. His life, instead of living unto the Lord, changed to dying unto the Lord. The body, in torture and torment of “dying thou shalt die,” was returned to dust (Gen. 3:14), out of which elements it had been formed (Gen. 2:7; Isa. 43:7; Job 10:9), and his spirit, or God-consciousness, was returned to the Lord (Eccl. 12:7). Life unto the Lord ended and dying unto the Lord began.

    The body, after death, was put into the grave. Death and the grave thus were the two outward evidences that man had died. The body was interred and decayed; the spirit had returned to God. But the soul, now without a body to express itself, where was it? If it had built up its spiritual expressions, its living unto God in the spirit, then, of course, it stands to reason that it would return to God. But what if it had lived only in the body, using only the flesh facets of the “breath of lives”? (Gen. 2:7).

     William J. Schnell, Into the Light of Christianity: The Basic Doctrines of the Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Light of Scripture (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1959), 99–102.


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  • FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    Would a Great King יהוה hosts — אלהים God of Israel (Isaiah 48:2) be repulsed by your description: e.g. as God's Messenger or Angel ?

    No. God Sent His Word . The Word of God is the Firstborn of All Creation. "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee to the place that I have prepared.  Be careful in his presence, and hearken unto his voice: do not provoke him, for he will not forgive your transgressions; for my name is in him."



    FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    What scripture shows אלהים God (NOT 'sons of אלהים God') describing angel(s) ?

    You, yourself said it is..

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohim) - Genesis 6:2Genesis 6:4Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (Israel) - Deuteronomy 32:8

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohe)Psalm 89:6


    FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    Does a Big God and a little god mean the Watchtower Society really worships two deities ?

    No. We worship the same God and Father that Jesus Christ worshipped and prayed too. Jesus calls His Father and God the Only True God in (John 17:3)

    • Thou shalt have no elohim acherim in My presence.
    • Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    • Do not have other gods besides me.
    • You must have no other gods before me.

    In each translation the Hebrew Scriptures read the same...

    Exodus 20:3

    HEB: לְךָ֛֩ אֱלֹהִ֥֨ים אֲחֵרִ֖֜ים עַל־ פָּנָֽ֗יַ

    NAS: You shall have no other gods before

    KJV: Thou shalt have no other gods

    INT: shall have gods other before me


    Exodus 23:13

    HEB: וְשֵׁ֨ם אֱלֹהִ֤ים אֲחֵרִים֙ לֹ֣א תַזְכִּ֔ירוּ

    NAS: the name of other gods,

    KJV: of the name of other gods,

    INT: the name gods of other nor mention

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • What is the relationship between יהוה Yahweh, redeemer, Holy One of Israel, & יהוה Yahweh of hosts ?

    Isa 41:14 You must not fear, O worm of Jacob; people of Israel, I myself, I will help you,” declares Yahweh, “and your redeemer is the holy one of Israel

    Isa 43:14 Thus says Yahweh, your redeemer, the holy one of Israel: “For your sake I will send to Babylon, and I will cause all of them to fall down as fugitives, and the Chaldeans, their rejoicing on the ships. 

    Isa 47:4 Our redeemer, Yahweh of hosts is his name, the holy one of Israel

    Isa 48:17 Thus says Yahweh, your redeemer, the holy one of Israel: “I am Yahweh your God, who teaches you to profit, leads you in the way you should go. 

    Isa 49:7 Thus says Yahweh, the redeemer of Israel, his holy one, to the one who despises life, to the one who abhors the nation, to the slave of rulers: “Kings shall see and stand up; princes, and they shall bow down, for the sake of Yahweh, who is faithful, the holy one of Israel, and he has chosen you.” 

    Isa 54:5 For your husband is your maker, his name is Yahweh of hosts; and your redeemer is the holy one of Israel, he is called the God of all of the earth. 



    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 3 Would a Great King יהוה hosts — אלהים God of Israel (Isaiah 48:2) be repulsed by your description: e.g. as God's Messenger or Angel ?

    @Brother Rando December 5 No. God Sent His Word .

    Is The Word of אלהים God a creation OR characteristic of Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God ?



    @Brother Rando December 5 The Word of God is the Firstborn of All Creation. 

    Remember two Greek phrases ", πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως," ", firstborn of/from all creation," & ", πρωτότοκος ἐκ τῶν νεκρῶν," "firstborn from the dead" are in the middle of one long sentence numbered Colossians 1:9-20 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>

    Because of this also we, from the day we heard about it, did not cease praying for you, and asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual insight, so that you may live in a manner worthy of the יהוה Lord, to please him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good deed and increasing in the knowledge of אלהים God, enabled with all power, according to his glorious might, for all steadfastness and patience with joy, giving thanks to the Father who has qualified you for a share of the inheritance of the saints in light, who has rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have the redemption, the forgiveness of sins, who is the image of the invisible אלהים God, the firstborn over all creation, because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him, and he himself is before all things, and in him all things are held together, and he himself is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he himself may become first in everything, because he was well pleased for all the fullness to dwell in him, and through him to reconcile all things to himself, by making peace through the blood of his cross, through him, whether things on earth or things in heaven. 

    What is the relationship between "the firstborn over all creation", "the firstborn from the dead" & "I hold the keys of death and of Hades" ?



    @Brother Rando December 5 "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee to the place that I have prepared.  Be careful in his presence, and hearken unto his voicedo not provoke him, for he will not forgive your transgressions; for my name is in him."

    What is the modern relevance of an unnamed angel sent by יהוה to guard Jewish people in the way from Egypt to the prepared place thousands of years ago ?

    And יהוה Yahweh said to Moses ... Exodus 23:20-23 LEB =>

    “ ‘Look, I am about to send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, because he will not forgive your transgression, for my name is in him. But if you listen attentively to his voice and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and a foe to your foes. When my angel goes before you and brings you to the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, I will wipe them out. 

    When were the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites wiped out ?

    Exodus 23:20-23 NWT online =>

    20  “I am sending an angel ahead of you+ to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.+ 21  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions,+ because my name is in him. 22  However, if you strictly obey his voice and do all that I say, I will show hostility to your enemies and oppose those who oppose you. 23  For my angel will go ahead of you and will bring you to the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites, and I will annihilate them.

    When were the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites annihilated ?



    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 25 We agree 'sons of אלהים') can describe angels (consistent with snippet from The Lexham Bible Dictionary).

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 12 What scripture shows אלהים God (NOT 'sons of אלהים God') describing angel(s) ?

    @Brother Rando December 5 You, yourself said it is..

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohim) - Genesis 6:2Genesis 6:4Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (Israel) - Deuteronomy 32:8

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohe) - Psalm 89:6

    What is the relationship between אלהים God and 'בני sons of אלהים God' ?



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    FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ What is the relationship between יהוה Yahweh, redeemer, Holy One of Israel, & יהוה Yahweh of hosts ?

    Father and Son. Yahweh is the true God and Yahweh of hosts is God's Personal Messenger. We both agree the Angel sent by God to battle for Israel is Michael whose name means who is like God?

    At times it is very difficult for a novice to see the difference for God's Messenger (Yahweh of hosts) for does not his will but the will of the One who sent him. But really you should not see the difference. It's like the King sending his representative to speak in his behalf. Slapping the Yahweh of hosts in the face which the Israelites did caused Yahweh to curse the nation and turn away from them.

    20 “ ‘Look, I am about to send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. 21 Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, because he will not forgive your transgression, for my name is in him." https://biblia.com/bible/leb/exodus/23/20-21 (Yahweh of Hosts)

    Michael who is Captain, Commander, Prince of God's Hosts defends and battles in behalf of Israel. 22 But if you listen attentively to his voice and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and a foe to your foes. 23 When my angel goes before you and brings you to the Amoritesn and the Hittiteso and the Perizzitesp and the Canaanitesq and the Hivitesr and the Jebusites,s I will wipe them out. https://biblia.com/bible/leb/exodus/23/22-23

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 25 We agree 'sons of אלהים') can describe angels (consistent with snippet from The Lexham Bible Dictionary).

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 12 What scripture shows אלהים God (NOT 'sons of אלהים God') describing angel(s) ?

    @Brother Rando December 5 You, yourself said it is..

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohim) - Genesis 6:2Genesis 6:4Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (Israel) - Deuteronomy 32:8

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohe) - Psalm 89:6

    Yourself are showing that the sons of God are אלהים God. In  Deuteronomy 32:8 it reads "When the Most High apportioned the nations, at his dividing up of the sons of humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples, according to the number of the sons of God."

    Jesus Christ referred to the sons of God (Israel) as gods. 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’?  35 If he called them ‘gods’ to whom the word of God came—and the scripture cannot be broken—36 do you say about he whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?


    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 7 What is the relationship between יהוה Yahweh, redeemer, Holy One of Israel, & יהוה Yahweh of hosts ?

    @Brother Rando December 7 Father and Son. Yahweh is the true God and Yahweh of hosts is God's Personal Messenger. 

    How can יהוה Hosts be redeemer, the holy one of Israel, the same as יהוה ?

    Isa 47:4 Our redeemerYahweh of hosts is his name, the holy one of Israel

    Isa 49:7 Thus says Yahweh, the redeemer of Israel, his holy one, to the one who despises life, to the one who abhors the nation, to the slave of rulers: “Kings shall see and stand up; princes, and they shall bow down, for the sake of Yahweh, who is faithful, the holy one of Israel, and he has chosen you.” 

    What did יהוה Father have יהוה Hosts say about the supernatural quality of יהוה Hosts ?

     John 10:22-42 LEB  (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    Then the feast of the Dedication took place in Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the Portico of Solomon. So the Jews surrounded him and began to say to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly!”

    Jesus answered them, “I told you and you do not believe! The deeds that I do in the name of my Father, these testify about me. But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep! My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish forever, and no one will seize them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can seize them from the Father’s hand. The Father and I are one.” 

    Then the Jews picked up stones again so that they could stone him.

    Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good deeds from the Father. For which one of them are you going to stone me?

    The Jews answered him, “We are not going to stone you concerning a good deed, but concerning blasphemy, and because you, although you are a man, make yourself to be אלהים God!”

    Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are אלהים gods” ’? If he called them ‘אלהים gods’ to whom the word of אלהים God came — and the scripture cannot be broken — do you say about he whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of אלהים God’? If I do not do the deeds of my Father, do not believe me. But if I am doing them, even if you do not believe me, believe the deeds, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

    So they were seeking again to seize him, and he departed out of their hand. 

    And he went away again on the other side of the Jordan, to the place where John was baptizing at an earlier time, and he stayed there. And many came to him and began to say, “John performed no sign, but everything John said about this man was true!” And many believed in him there. 

    What was said that cursed אלהים God (Jewish blasphemy reason for killing using stones) ?


    @Brother Rando December 7 At times it is very difficult for a novice to see the difference for God's Messenger (Yahweh of hosts) for does not his will but the will of the One who sent him. But really you should not see the difference. It's like the King sending his representative to speak in his behalf. Slapping the Yahweh of hosts in the face which the Israelites did caused Yahweh to curse the nation and turn away from them.

    What did יהוה Father have יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Son command: πιστεύετε εἰς τὸν θεόν, καὶ εἰς ἐμὲ πιστεύετε (John 14:1 Greek spoken by יֵשׁוּעַ ) ?

    Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing

    Mark 10:13-16 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    And they were bringing young children to him so that he could touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant, and said to them, “Let the young children come to me. Do not forbid them, for to such belongs the kingdom of אלהים God. Truly I say to you, whoever does not welcome the kingdom of אלהים God like a young child will never enter into it.” And after taking them into his arms, he blessed them, placing his hands on them. 

    How can a young child (novice) simply enter the kingdom of אלהים God ?


    Curious why יהוה name in an unnamed angel is more important to @Brother Rando than intimate יהוה name sharing ?

    Jeremiah 23:5-6 LEB =>

    Look, days are coming,” declares יהוה Yahweh, “when I will raise up for David a righteous branch, and he will reign as king, and he will achieve success, and he will do justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell in safety, and this is his name by which he will be called: ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’

    To me, the pronoun 'our' in phrase ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’ expresses Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God's point of view as the last two Hebrew words יהוה צדקנו have literal meaning " יהוה Righteousness of we " (consistent with One Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God being uniquely unlike any created human being by having more than one voice, a plural unique God as described in Deuteronomy 6:4).



    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 25 We agree 'sons of אלהים') can describe angels (consistent with snippet from The Lexham Bible Dictionary).

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 12 What scripture shows אלהים God (NOT 'sons of אלהים God') describing angel(s) ?

    @Brother Rando December 5 You, yourself said it is..

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohim) - Genesis 6:2Genesis 6:4Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (Israel) - Deuteronomy 32:8

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohe) - Psalm 89:6

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 7 What is the relationship between אלהים God and 'בני sons of אלהים God' ?

    @Brother Rando December 7 Yourself are showing that the sons of God are אלהים God. 

    Puzzling: appears the sons of God has the same supernatural quality as אלהים God per @Brother Rando (except for יהוה Hosts)


    Context of Isaiah 48:7 includes Isaiah 48:12-22 LEB =>

    “Listen to me, Jacob, and Israel, whom I called: I am he. I am the first; also I am the last. 

    Indeed, my hand founded the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they stand in position together. 

    Assemble, all of you, and hear! Who among them declared these things

    יהוה Yahweh loves him; he shall perform his wish against Babylon and his arm against the Chaldeans. 

    I, I myself, I have spoken! Indeed, I have called him. I have brought him, and he will be successful in his way. 

    Draw near to me; hear this! I have not spoken in secrecy from the beginning; 

    from the time it came to be, there I have been; And now the Lord Yahweh has sent me and his Spirit.” 

    Thus says יהוה Yahweh, your redeemer, the holy one of Israel: “I am יהוה Yahweh your God, who teaches you to profit, leads you in the way you should go. 

    O that you had listened attentively to my commandments! 

    Then your prosperity would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea. 

    And your offspring would have been like the sand, and the descendants of your ⌊body⌋ like its grains. 

    It would not be cut off, and its name would not be destroyed from my presence.” 

    Go out from Babylon! 

    Flee from Chaldea! 

    Proclaim it with a shout of rejoicing; proclaim this! 

    Send it forth to the end of the earth; say, “יהוה Yahweh has redeemed his servant Jacob!” 

    And when he led them through the deserts, they were not thirsty; he made water flow from the rock for them, and he split the rock, and the water gushed out. 

    “There is no peace,” says Yahweh, “for the wicked.” 

    What is the relationship of יֵשׁ֔וּעַ "... I am the first and the last, and the one who lives, and I was dead, and behold, I am living forever and ever, and I hold the keys of death and of Hades. ” Revelation 1:17-18יֵשׁ֔וּעַ "... I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Revelation 22:13 & "Thus said יהוה King Israel and redeeming יהוה hosts I first and I last and except me there is no אלהים" Isaiah 44:6 & יהוה "I am he. I am the first; also I am the last." Isaiah 48:12 ?


    Context of John 7:28 includes John 7:14-29 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    Now when the feast was already half over, Jesus went to the temple courts and began to teach. Then the Jews were astonished, saying, “How does this man possess knowledge, because he has not been taught?”

    So Jesus answered them and said, “My teaching is not mine, but is from the one who sent me. If anyone wants to do his will, he will know about my teaching, whether it is from אלהים God or I am speaking from myself. The one who speaks from himself seeks his own glory. But the one who seeks the glory of the one who sent him — this one is true, and there is no unrighteousness in him. Has not Moses given you the law, and none of you carries out the law? Why do you seek to kill me?” 

    The crowd replied, “You have a demon! Who is seeking to kill you?”

    Jesus answered and said to them, “I performed one work, and you are all astonished. Because of this Moses has given you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses would not be broken, are you angry with me because I made a whole man well on the Sabbath? Do not judge according to outward appearance, but judge according to righteous judgment!” 

    Then some of the inhabitants of Jerusalem began to say, “Is this not the one whom they are seeking to kill? And behold, he is speaking openly and they are saying nothing to him! Can it be that the rulers truly know that this man is the Christ? Yet we know where this man is from, but the Christ, whenever he comes — no one knows where he is from!” 

    Then Jesus cried out in the temple courts, teaching and saying, “You both know me and you know where I am from! And I have not come from myself, but the one who sent me is true, whom you do not know. I know him, because I am from him and he sent me.” 

    So they were seeking to seize him, and no one laid a hand on him, because his hour had not yet come. But from the crowd many believed in him and were saying, “Whenever the Christ comes, he will not perform more signs than this man has done, will he?” 

    The Pharisees heard the crowd murmuring these things about him, and the chief priests and the Pharisees sent officers in order to take him into custody.

    Then Jesus said, “Yet a little time I am with you, and I am going to the one who sent me. You will seek me and will not find me, and where I am, you cannot come.” 

    So the Jews said to one another, “Where is this one going to go, that we will not find him? He is not going to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks, is he? What is this saying that he said, ‘You will seek me and will not find me, and where I am, you cannot come’?” 

    Now on the last day of the feast — the great day — Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me, and let him drink, the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ”

    (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.) 

    What belief in יֵשׁ֔וּעַ is needed to experience rivers of living water ?



    Many failed prophetic predictions prove the Watchtower (JW.org) is NOT the correct communication channel for Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God. 

    Why engage in Bible study with an organization (JW.org) that is a proven liar ?


    Keep Smiling 😊

  • FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ What was said that cursed אלהים God (Jewish blasphemy reason for killing using stones) ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohim) - Genesis 6:2Genesis 6:4Job 1:6Job 2:1Job 38:7

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (Israel) - Deuteronomy 32:8

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 13 * the sons of God (elohe) - Psalm 89:6

    The Pharisees sect along with others of the Sanhedrin saw themselves as "gods" * the sons of God (Israel) - Deuteronomy 32:8

    That was the reason the (Jewish blasphemy reason for killing using stones) but they were hypocrites and choose to sin against Holy Spirit rather than become a follower of the Christ. The denied him as you FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ deny the Christ...

    • Then some of the inhabitants of Jerusalem began to say, “Is this not the one whom they are seeking to kill? And behold, he is speaking openly and they are saying nothing to him! Can it be that the rulers truly know that this man is the Christ? Yet we know where this man is from, but the Christ, whenever he comes — no one knows where he is from!” 
    • Then Jesus cried out in the temple courts, teaching and saying, “You both know me and you know where I am from! And I have not come from myself, but the one who sent me is true, whom you do not know. I know him, because I am from him and he sent me.” 
    • So they were seeking to seize him, and no one laid a hand on him, because his hour had not yet come. But from the crowd many believed in him and were saying, “Whenever the Christ comes, he will not perform more signs than this man has done, will he?


    So the Jews alleged false charges against the Christ to kill him so that they would not lose their position. That is the purpose, you have alreadyrejected the Christ in the same manner. I will keep on exposing your antichistian docrtines that that you follow but refuse to name... it's all cathoilc dogma that worships idols and gargolyes as their אלהים gods.


    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 8 I agree with idea of יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua being intrinsically good as the Son of אלהים God: Matthew 27:43John 5:259:3510:3611:419:7Revelation 2:18

    @Brother Rando December 9 Even the demons Know Jesus "to be" the Christ as the Son of God. "Demons also came out of many, crying out and saying: “You are the Son of God.” But rebuking them, he would not permit them to speak, for they knew him to be the Christ." See that? They knew him to be the Christ not God!

    Thank you for expressing your deity faith belief about the Christ, which is different than what my eyes see in Mark 1:22-28 & Luke 4:31-41

    Is "the Holy One of אלהים God" intrinsically good ?

    Mark 1:22-28 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    And they were amazed at his teaching, because he was teaching them like one who had authority, and not like the scribes. And so then there was a man in their synagogue with an unclean spirit, and he cried out, saying, “Leave us alone, Jesus the Nazarene! Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are — the Holy One of אלהים God!” And Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be silent, and come out of him!” And after convulsing him and crying out with a loud voice, the unclean spirit came out of him. And they were all amazed, so that they began to discuss with one another, saying, “What is this? A new teaching with authority! He even commands the unclean spirits and they obey him.” And the report about him then went out everywhere in the whole surrounding region of Galilee. 

    Luke 4:31-41 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    And he came down to Capernaum, a town of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbath. And they were astounded at his teaching, because he spoke with authority. And in the synagogue there was a man who had the spirit of an unclean demon, and he cried out with a loud voice, “Ha! Leave us alone, Jesus the Nazarene! Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are — the Holy One of אלהים God!” And Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be silent and come out of him!” And after throwing him down in their midst, the demon came out of him without hurting him at all. And amazement came upon them all, and they began to talk with one another, saying, “What word is this? For he commands the unclean spirits with authority and power, and they come out!” And news about him went out into every place of the surrounding region. 

    And after he set out from the synagogue, he went into Simon’s house. And Simon’s mother-in-law was afflicted with a high fever, and they asked him on behalf of her. And he stood over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. And immediately she got up and began to serve them. 

    Now as the sun was setting, all who had those who were sick with various diseases brought them to him, and placing his hands on every one of them, he healed them. And demons also were coming out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Son of אלהים God!” And he rebuked them and did not permit them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ. 

    How did demons respond to the words spoken by "the Holy One of אלהים God", "the Son of אלהים God", the Christ ?


    What purpose did Holy יהוה Father have in Holy יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Son commanding: πιστεύετε εἰς τὸν θεόν, καὶ εἰς ἐμὲ πιστεύετε (John 14:1 Greek spoken by יֵשׁוּעַ ) ?

    Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing


    @Brother Rando December 9 But your demonic teaching is that Jesus is God and he torments people in an eternal hellfire. You are bound up in a 3 in 1 cult that reject Christ by removing Christ from Scripture.

    Thank you for expressing your belief & interpretation of my comments. Caveat is your words falsely rendering my faith beliefs.

    Does believing Jesus is NOT אלהים God disobey the John 14:1 command "Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing" ?


    @Brother Rando December 9 Most truly I say to you, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who have paid attention will live. (John 5:25)

    John 5:25 context includes John 5:1-47 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    After these things there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is in Jerusalem near the Sheep Gate a pool called in Aramaic Bethzatha, which has five porticoes. In these were lying a large number of those who were sick, blind, lame, paralyzed. And a certain man was there who had been thirty-eight years in his sickness. Jesus, when he saw this one lying there and knew that he had been sick a long time already, said to him, “Do you want to become well?”

    The one who was sick answered him, “Sir, I do not have anyone that, whenever the water is stirred up, could put me into the pool. But while I am coming, another goes down before me.”

    Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk!”

    And immediately the man became well and picked up his mat and began to walk. (Now it was the Sabbath on that day.) 

    So the Jews were saying to the one who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath, and it is not permitted for you to pick up the mat!”

    But he answered them, “The one who made me well — that one said to me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk!’ ”

    So they asked him, “Who is the man who said to you, ‘Pick up your mat and walk?’ ” But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn while a crowd was in the place. 

    After these things Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “Look, you have become well! Sin no longer, lest something worse happen to you.

    The man went and reported to the Jews that Jesus was the one who made him well. And on account of this the Jews began to persecute Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath.

    But he answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”

    So on account of this the Jews were seeking even more to kill him, because he not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling אלהים God his own Father, thus making himself equal with אלהים God. 

    So Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, the Son can do nothing from himself except what he sees the Father doing. For whatever that one does, these things also the Son does likewise. For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything that he himself is doing. And greater works than these he will show him, so that you will be astonished. For just as the Father raises the dead and makes them alive, thus also the Son makes alive whomever he wishes. For the Father does not judge anyone, but he has given all judgment to the Son, in order that all people will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 

    Truly, truly I say to you, that an hour is coming — and now is here — when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of אלהים God, and the ones who hear will live. For just as the Father has life in himself, thus also he has granted to the Son to have life in himself. And he has granted him authority to carry out judgment, because he is the Son of Man. 

    Do not be astonished at this, because an hour is coming in which all those in the tombs will hear his voice and they will come out — those who have done good things to a resurrection of life, but those who have practiced evil things to a resurrection of judgment. I am able to do nothing from myself. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will, but the will of the one who sent me. 

    If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony which he testifies about me is true. You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. (And I do not receive testimony from people, but I say these things in order that you may be saved.) That one was the lamp which was burning and shining, and you wanted to rejoice for an hour in his light. 

    But I have a testimony greater than John’s, for the works which the Father has given to me that I should complete them — the very works which I am doing — these testify about me, that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me, that one has testified about me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his form. And you do not have his word residing in yourselves, because the one whom that one sent, in this one you do not believe. You search the scriptures because you think that you have eternal life in them, and it is these that testify about me. And you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life. 

    I do not accept glory from people, but I know you, that you do not have the love of אלהים God in yourselves. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me. If another should come in his own name, you would accept that one! How are you able to believe, if you accept glory from one another, and do not seek the glory which is from the only אלהים God? Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father! The one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have put your hope! For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me. But if you do not believe that one’s writings, how will you believe my words?” 

    What do miraculous works testify about Holy יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Son ?


    @Brother Rando December 9 During that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, (Daniel 12:1)

    What is the difference between the great prince and the righteous King (Melchizedek) ?

    To my reading, I do not see Michael, the great prince, mentioned in John 5:1-47 so how does @Brother Rando believe Daniel 12:1 is related to the voice of the Son of God in John 5:25 ?


    Keep Smiling 😊

  • FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    To my reading, I do not see Michael, the great prince, mentioned in John 5:1-47 so how does @Brother Rando believe Daniel 12:1 is related to the voice of the Son of God in John 5:25 ?

    • Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; John 11:25
    • the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 1 Thess 4:16
    • Most truly I say to you, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who have paid attention will live.  For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man.  Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out,  John 5:25-29

    The New Testament associates Jesus, the Lord himself with an archangel's voice that raises the dead in Christ first which is confirmed at1 Thess 4:16. Jesus was given authority because he is the Son of Man. However this prophecy was revealed much earlier in the Book of Daniel.

    • During that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake upDaniel 12:1-2


     But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 2 Thess 1:7-9

    You will not be given the revelation. Why? These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength,

    • And war broke out in heaven Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled Rev 12:7


    Since Jesus and Michael is the same person, their names are intertangle. Shiloh, Immanuel, the branch of David, or others...

    • During that time Jesus will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake upDaniel 12:1-2
    • And war broke out in heaven Jesus and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled Rev 12:7

    If though I out rightly gave you the answer to the prophecy, those whose hearts are wicked cannot see what is good. Why call ME Good? Nobody is Good but God alone.

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 13 To my reading, I do not see Michael, the great prince, mentioned in John 5:1-47 so how does @Brother Rando believe Daniel 12:1 is related to the voice of the Son of God in John 5:25 ?

    @Brother Rando December 13 John 11:25 (NWT), 1 Thess 4:16 (NWT link to John 11),  John 5:25-29 (NWT)

    None of the NWT snippets mention Michael so What is the relationship of the three snippets to my question: how does @Brother Rando believe Daniel 12:1 is related to the voice of the Son of God in John 5:25 ?


    @Brother Rando December 13 Most truly I say to you, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who have paid attention will live.  For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man.  Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, John 5:25-29

    Are bolded words in John 5:25-29 snippet by @Brother Rando intended to show Watchtower Society faith belief in Michael the archangel ?

    Why was " those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. " in  John 5:29 (NWT) not quoted by @Brother Rando ?

    Is judgment appropriate for those who practiced vile things ?


    @Brother Rando December 13 The New Testament associates Jesus, the Lord himself with an archangel's voice that raises the dead in Christ first which is confirmed at1 Thess 4:16. Jesus was given authority because he is the Son of Man. However this prophecy was revealed much earlier in the Book of Daniel.

    How is voice sound related to the raising of the dead ?

    Could your words "an archangel's voice that raises the dead" have an assumed belief about Michael the archangel having deity authority ?

    Paul's letters were read out loud to groups of people. 1 Thessalonians 4:1-5:28 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>

    Finally therefore, brothers, we ask you and appeal to you in the יהוה Lord Jesus that, just as you have received from us how it is necessary for you to live and to please אלהים God, just as indeed you are living, that you progress even more. For you know what commands we gave to you through the יהוה Lord Jesus. For this is the will of אלהים God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion, just as also the Gentiles who do not know אלהים God; not to transgress and to exploit his brother in the matter, because the יהוה Lord is the one who avenges concerning all these things, just as also we told you beforehand and testified solemnly. For אלהים God did not call us to impurity, but in holiness. Therefore the one who rejects this is not rejecting man, but אלהים God, who also gives his Holy Spirit to you. But concerning brotherly love, I do not have need to write to you, for you yourselves are taught by אלהים God to love one another, for indeed you are practicing it toward all the brothers in all of Macedonia. But we urge you, brothers, to progress even more, and to aspire to live a quiet life, and to attend to your own business, and to work with your hands, just as we commanded you, so that you may live decently toward those outside, and may have need of nothing. 

    Now we do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning those who have fallen asleep, so that you will not grieve as also the rest, who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, thus also אלהים God will bring those who have fallen asleep through Jesus together with him. For this we say to you by the word of the יהוה Lord, that we who are alive, who remain until the יהוה Lord’s coming, will not possibly precede those who have fallen asleep. For the יהוה Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of אלהים God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who remain, will be snatched away at the same time together with them in the clouds for a meeting with the יהוה Lord in the air, and thus we will be together with the יהוה Lord always. Therefore comfort one another with these words. Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need of anything to be written to you, for you yourselves well know that the day of the יהוה Lord is coming in the same way as a thief in the night. Whenever they say “Peace and security,” then sudden destruction will overtake them like the birth pains of a pregnant woman, and they will not possibly escape. But you, brothers, are not in the darkness, so that the day should catch you like a thief, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. So then, we must not sleep like the rest, but must be on the alert and be self-controlled. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. But because we are of the day, we must be sober, by putting on the breastplate of faith and love and as a helmet the hope of salvation, because אלהים God did not appoint us for wrath, but for the obtaining of salvation through our יהוה Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live at the same time with him. Therefore encourage one another and build up each other, just as indeed you are doing. Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and rule over you in the יהוה Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them beyond all measure in love, because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves. And we urge you, brothers, admonish the disorderly, console the discouraged, help the sick, be patient toward all people. See to it that no one pays back evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue good toward one another and toward all people. Rejoice always, pray constantly, give thanks in everything; for this is the will of אלהים God for you in Christ Jesus. Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but examine all things; hold fast to what is good. Abstain from every form of evil. Now may the אלהים God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your spirit and soul and body be kept complete, blameless at the coming of our יהוה Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful, who also will do this. Brothers, pray for us. Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss. I adjure you by the יהוה Lord, have this letter read aloud to all the brothers. The grace of our יהוה Lord Jesus Christ be with you. 

    Thankfully my inserting of יהוה Lord & אלהים God had me read this passage similar to early groups of believers in our יהוה Lord Jesus Christ. Humanly I can only imagine three beautifully intertwined sounds when יהוה Lord himself will descend from heaven:

    • a shout of command (by Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God)
    • the voice of the archangel (gladly serving Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God)
    • the trumpet of אלהים God (humanly not know who is playing the trumpet)


    @Brother Rando December 13 During that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake upDaniel 12:1-2

    Why was " some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. " in Daniel 12:2 (NWT) not quoted by @Brother Rando ?

    What is everlasting contempt ?



    @Brother Rando December 13 Since Jesus and Michael is the same person, their names are intertangle.

    What is intertangle ? (not found in dictionary lookup)

    To my reading, Michael is the great prince of Jewish people (Daniel 12:1) while Jesus is Melchizedek => King Righteous (Hebrews 5:1-10)

    Does Michael the great prince serve & worship King Righteous Jesus ?

    Heaven is For Real story includes eye witness seeing both Jesus & Michael in heaven:

    Colton told his parents one of his favorite places in heaven was the throne room of God – with God seated on a huge throne, and Jesus enthroned on His right and the angel Gabriel on the Father’s left. “People ask Colton, ‘What does God’s face look like?’” “Colton says, ‘His face is so big I could hardly see it.’” Todd notes that his son “has nothing to measure God by – he was just a little kid.” Colton estimated that God is so large, he could hold the world in His hands. Everyone Colton saw in heaven had wings, except for Jesus. Colton described Michael, the archangel as the biggest of the angels — twice as tall as Todd.

    Todd Burpo is Colton's human father, who 'sympathizes with the skeptics who question his son’s remarkable story. “When my son first started sharing this I wondered how it could be true,” he admits. “I tried to come up with explanations for what he was giving me. I tried to dismiss or explain away what he was saying and I couldn’t.” '

    How can Jesus and Michael be the same person when Michael has wings (Jesus does not) & Michael is twice as tall as Jesus ?


    Keep Smiling 😊

  • FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    How can Jesus and Michael be the same person when Michael has wings (Jesus does not) & Michael is twice as tall as Jesus ?

    It's because you deny the words of Jesus Christ when he stated, "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it." Matthew 23:37

    FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    Could your words "an archangel's voice that raises the dead" have an assumed belief about Michael the archangel having deity authority ?

    • During that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up,  Daniel 12:1-2

    FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    Why was " those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. " in John 5:29 (NWT) not quoted by @Brother Rando ?

    Is judgment appropriate for those who practiced vile things ?

    To prove that Jesus is Michael. Notice I did not add those things to Daniel 12:2 but you never missed them because of your blindness. "And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt."

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 14 How can Jesus and Michael be the same person when Michael has wings (Jesus does not) & Michael is twice as tall as Jesus ?

    @Brother Rando December 14 It's because you deny the words of Jesus Christ when he stated, "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it." Matthew 23:37

    How is Matthew 23:37 (especially your bolded words) relevant to my question: "How can Jesus and Michael be the same person when Michael has wings (Jesus does not) & Michael is twice as tall as Jesus ?"


    @Brother Rando December 13 Most truly I say to you, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who have paid attention will live.  For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man.  Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, John 5:25-29

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 14 Are bolded words in John 5:25-29 snippet by @Brother Rando intended to show Watchtower Society faith belief in Michael the archangel ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 14 Why was " those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. " in John 5:29 (NWT) not quoted by @Brother Rando ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 14 Is judgment appropriate for those who practiced vile things ?

    @Brother Rando December 14 To prove that Jesus is Michael.

    To my reading,  John 5:1-47 does NOT mention Michael so How does leaving out words from John 5:29 (NWT) prove JW Society's faith belief ?


    @Brother Rando December 13 During that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake upDaniel 12:1-2

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 14 Why was " some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. " in Daniel 12:2 (NWT) not quoted by @Brother Rando ?

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 14 What is everlasting contempt ?

    @Brother Rando December 14 Notice I did not add those things to Daniel 12:2 but you never missed them because of your blindness. "And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt."

    Blindness is a puzzling answer for @Brother Rando not quoting all of Daniel 12:1-2 (& John 5:29).

    To my reading, Michael is the great prince of Jewish people (Daniel 12:1) while Jesus is Melchizedek => King Righteous (Hebrews 5:1-10)

    Does Michael the great prince serve & worship King Righteous Jesus (Hebrews 1:6) ?


    What purpose did Holy יהוה Father have in Holy יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Son commanding: πιστεύετε εἰς τὸν θεόν, καὶ εἰς ἐμὲ πιστεύετε (John 14:1 Greek spoken by יֵשׁוּעַ ) ?

    Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing

    Does believing Jesus is NOT אלהים God disobey the John 14:1 command "Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing" ?


    Keep Smiling 😊

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    FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    How is Matthew 23:37 (especially your bolded words) relevant to my question: "How can Jesus and Michael be the same person when Michael has wings (Jesus does not) & Michael is twice as tall as Jesus ?"

    It's because you deny the words of Jesus Christ when he stated, "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it." Matthew 23:37

    Your claim that Jesus does not have wings. Matthew 23:37 Not only did Jesus compare himself the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it.

    A hen spread her wings in order to protect her offspring. The hen will also peck the viper until it is dead, many times striking its eyes in order to become blind. Mush in the same manner that this is happening to you. You strike but keep missing, but as you fall into exhaustion, you are easily dis-regarded in front all to see.

    FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    Blindness is a puzzling answer for @Brother Rando not quoting all of Daniel 12:1-2 (& John 5:29).

    Notice I did not add those things to Daniel 12:2 but you never missed them because of your blindness. "And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt."  Daniel 12:2 

    • During that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, "And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt.Daniel 12:1-2

    Jesus stated  “Most truly I say to you, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who have paid attention will live. 26  For just as the Father has life in himself,s so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.t 27  And he has given him authority to do judging,u because he is the Son of man.v 28  Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voicew 29  and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. John 5:25-29

    • the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 1 Thess 4:16
    • Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; John 11:25

    Why doesn't the LEB just strike out with an archangel’s voice in 1 Thess 4:16 since the LEB had no issue in striking out "to be" Christ in Mark 1:34 LEB? <~~~Removed CHRIST

    • The antichrist is losing his battle against the Lamb of God and so are his supporters :-)
    • This is why I call you FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ


    Another scripture about the Son of Man's Wings. The Sun of Righteous is the Bright Morning Star...

    • But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise, with healing in its wings, and you will go out and leap like ⌊fattened calves⌋. Malachi 4:2


    Malachi 4:2 — 1890 Darby Bible (DARBY)

    And unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth and leap like fatted calves.

    Malachi 4:2 — GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    The Sun of Righteousness will rise with healing in his wings for you people who fear my name. You will go out and leap like calves let out of a stall.

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus
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    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 14 How can Jesus and Michael be the same person when Michael has wings (Jesus does not) & Michael is twice as tall as Jesus ?

    @Brother Rando December 14 It's because you deny the words of Jesus Christ when he stated, "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it." Matthew 23:37

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 14 How is Matthew 23:37 (especially your bolded words) relevant to my question: "How can Jesus and Michael be the same person when Michael has wings (Jesus does not) & Michael is twice as tall as Jesus ?"

    @Brother Rando December 14 Your claim that Jesus does not have wings

    Heaven is For Real story includes eye witness seeing both Jesus & Michael in heaven:

    Colton told his parents one of his favorite places in heaven was the throne room of God – with God seated on a huge throne, and Jesus enthroned on His right and the angel Gabriel on the Father’s left. “People ask Colton, ‘What does God’s face look like?’” “Colton says, ‘His face is so big I could hardly see it.’” Todd notes that his son “has nothing to measure God by – he was just a little kid.” Colton estimated that God is so large, he could hold the world in His hands. Everyone Colton saw in heaven had wings, except for Jesus. Colton described Michael, the archangel as the biggest of the angels — twice as tall as Todd.

    During a near death experience in 2003 (burst appendix), four-year-old Colton Burpo saw Jesus on God's throne not having wings and Michael the archangel as the biggest of the angels.

    @Brother Rando December 14 Not only did Jesus compare himself the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it.

    People who saw & touched Jesus on earth did not describe his human appearance having wings.

    @Brother Rando December 14 A hen spread her wings in order to protect her offspring. The hen will also peck the viper until it is dead, many times striking its eyes in order to become blind. Mush in the same manner that this is happening to you. You strike but keep missing, but as you fall into exhaustion, you are easily dis-regarded in front all to see.

    Malachi 4:1-3 LEB =>

     “For look! The day is about to come, burning like an oven, and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble. The coming day will consume them,” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts. “It will not leave behind for them root or branch. But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise, with healing in its wings, and you will go out and leap like fattened calves. You will trample down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I am going to act,” says יהוה Yahweh of hosts. 

     A woman touched garment edge in Luke 8:42-48 LEB =>

    Now as he was going, the crowds were pressing against him. And a woman who was suffering from hemorrhages for twelve years (who, although she had spent all her assets on physicians, was not able to be healed by anyone) came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak, and immediately her hemorrhaging stopped.

    And Jesus said, “Who is the one who touched me?

    And when they all denied it, Peter said, “Master, the crowds are pressing you hard and crowding you!”

    But Jesus said, “Someone touched me, because I know power has gone out from me.”

    And when the woman saw that she did not escape notice, she came trembling and falling down before him. In the presence of all the people, she told for what reason she had touched him, and that she was healed immediately.

    And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has saved you. Go in peace.” 

    What happened to the woman who believed "with healing in its wings" righteously described Jesus ?



    @Brother Rando December 14 Why doesn't the LEB just strike out with an archangel’s voice in 1 Thess 4:16 since the LEB had no issue in striking out "to be" Christ in Mark 1:34 LEB? <~~~Removed CHRIST

    The phrase "with an archangel's voice" in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 does not have textual variants in Greek manuscripts. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 does a variant:

    Instead of the wording οι νεκροι εν Χριστω αναστησονται πρωτον (“the dead in Christ will rise first”), a Western reading (D* F G it) changes the last word to πρωτοι, yielding the rendering, “the dead in Christ are the first to rise.” This change alleviates a potential problem for any reader who may try to figure out what the dead in Christ will do second—but that is not the point. Quite simply, Paul is affirming that dead Christians will precede living Christians in the Rapture.

     Philip W. Comfort, New Testament Text and Translation Commentary: Commentary on the Variant Readings of the Ancient New Testament Manuscripts and How They Relate to the Major English Translations (Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., 2008), 647.

    Mark 1:34 has two textual variants:

    TR NU ᾔδεισαν αὐτόν “they knew him” א* A 0130 Maj all

    variant 1/WH ηδεισαν αυτον Χριστον ειναι “they knew him to be Christ” B L W Θ f1 28 33 nasbmg netmg

    variant 2 ηδεισαν αυτον τον Χριστον ειναι “they knew him to be the Christ” א2 (C) f 700 none

    Although the expansions in the variant readings are probably the result of scribal conformity to Luke 4:41, it seems odd that not one scribe made an insertion from a Markan parallel, such as 1:24 (where the demons call him “Holy One of God”) or 3:11 and 5:7 (where the demons call him “the Son of God”). In any case, it is within the scope of Mark’s presentation for the demons to know Jesus’ divine identity and for Jesus to silence them. This is part of the “messianic secret” motif that recurs in this gospel. Westcott and Hort adopted the first variant due to their preference for B, although it is bracketed. All English versions follow TR or NU.

     Philip W. Comfort, New Testament Text and Translation Commentary: Commentary on the Variant Readings of the Ancient New Testament Manuscripts and How They Relate to the Major English Translations (Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., 2008), 97.

    Noticed lack of any reply by @Brother Rando for credible source(s) about LEB 'Removed CHRIST' that was requested on November 16

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus November 16 Please provide credible source(s) for assertion 'LEB removed "to be" Christ' as 'removed' implies the words were present at some point in the past, followed by removal. My previous research found a Mark 1:34 scribal addition "to be" Christ' in a Greek family of manuscripts.

    Remember JW.org online library has three Bibles that agree with LEB in Mark 1:34

    Mark 1:34 KJV => 34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

    Mark 1:34 ASV => 34 And he healed many that were sick with divers diseases, and cast out many demons; and he suffered not the demons to speak, because they knew him.

    Mark 1:34 The Bible in Living English => 34 and he cured many who were ill with various diseases, and expelled many demons, and would not let the demons speak, because they knew him.

    Do the brackets signify a textual variant in The Emphasized Bible ? 34 and he cured many that were sick with divers diseases, and many demons he cast out, and suffered not the demons to be talking,—because they knew him [to be Christ].


    @Brother Rando December 14 This is why I call you FALSE RENDERING from the antichrist @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

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  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    During a near death experience in 2003 (burst appendix), four-year-old Colton Burpo saw Jesus on God's throne not having wings and Michael the archangel as the biggest of the angels.

    Interesting Colton Burpo saw Jesus on God's throne - and all this time you are trying to tell me that Jesus is God. By the way, by your own admission Colton was sitting on Jesus' lap and also saw the flaming sword not Michael holding the sword.

    Colton Burpo saw Jesus on God's throne

    Michael the archangel as the biggest of the angels.

    Did you see that? Colton placed several definite articles describing Michael, whose name means who is like God?

    • Michael the archangel
    • the biggest
    • the angels

    I don't know why you used this information that points out Jesus’ divine identity "to be" Christ and for Jesus to silence them. Can we say Jesus silenced you NOT to point out him "to be" the Christ? Because your argument is not to use "to be" Christ. 1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be")

    "Although the expansions in the variant readings are probably the result of scribal conformity to Luke 4:41, it seems odd that not one scribe made an insertion from a Mark an parallel, such as 1:24 (where the demons call him “Holy One of God”) or 3:11 and 5:7 (where the demons call him “the Son of God”). In any case, it is within the scope of Mark’s presentation for the demons to know Jesus’ divine identity and for Jesus to silence them. This is part of the “messianic secret” motif that recurs in this gospel. Westcott and Hort adopted the first variant due to their preference for B, although it is bracketed. All English versions follow TR or NU."

    So you are claiming that Jesus is just Jesus and NOT Jesus Christ? Even your own Call Sign has No Christ in it. On top of that, you use an English translation (Jesus) that means Jehovah is Salvation. The AntiChrist would fight tooth and nail Not to use the words JESUS CHRIST in the same manner you are doing.

    God's Angel, God's Messenger, God's Christ was given authority to forgive sins as the Son of Man,

    See, I am sending an angel before you, to guard you on the way and bring you to the place I have prepared.  Be attentive to him and obey him. Do not rebel against him, for he will not forgive your sin. My authority is within him. (Exodus 23:20-21)

    Which is easier to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk?’  But in order that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,” he said to the one who was paralyzed, “I say to you, ‘Get up and pick up your stretcher and* go to your home.’ ” (Luke:23-24) LEB

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • Thank You @Brother Rando for FALSE RENDERING name calling redaction 😊

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

    @Brother Rando December 15 So you are claiming that Jesus is just Jesus and NOT Jesus Christ? Even your own Call Sign has No Christ in it. On top of that, you use an English translation (Jesus) that means Jehovah is Salvation. The AntiChrist would fight tooth and nail Not to use the words JESUS CHRIST in the same manner you are doing.

    How do your Christ & ad-hominem comments comply with guidelines for this online discussion => What is Christian Debate ?

    By the way, what appears in a mirror ? What is the relationship between words & personal reflection ?


    What name was given to Mary (Luke 1:26-38) & Joseph (Matthew 1:18-25) ?

    The angel Gabriel was sent to Mary as it is written in Luke 1:26-38 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>

    Now in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from אלהים God to a town of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin legally promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of the house of David. And the name of the virgin was Mary.

    And he came to her and said, “Greetings, favored one! The יהוה Lord is with you.”

    But she was greatly perplexed at the statement, and was pondering what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, 

    “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with אלהים God. And behold, you will conceive in the womb and will give birth to a son, 

    and you will call his name Jesus. This one will be great, and he will be called the Son of the Most High, and the יהוה Lord אלהים God will give him the throne of his father David. And he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end. 

    And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I have not had sexual relations with a man?”

    And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore also the one to be born will be called holy, the Son of אלהים God. And behold, your relative Elizabeth — she also has conceived a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren. For nothing will be impossible with אלהים God.” 

    So Mary said, “Behold, the Lord’s female slave! May it happen to me according to your word.”

    And the angel departed from her. 

    How does Christ, Messiah relate to Jesus ? What words spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary describe the Christ, the Messiah ?


    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 15 During a near death experience in 2003 (burst appendix), four-year-old Colton Burpo saw Jesus on God's throne not having wings and Michael the archangel as the biggest of the angels.

    @Brother Rando December 15 Interesting Colton Burpo saw Jesus on God's throne - and all this time you are trying to tell me that Jesus is God.

    What is the right hand of power on אלהים God's throne ?

    @Brother Rando December 15 By the way, by your own admission Colton was sitting on Jesus' lap and also saw the flaming sword not Michael holding the sword.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 2021 Heaven is for Real special movie edition for Target has a Question & Answer section, which includes Colton Burpo at age 14

    Q: Are your memories of heaven still clear to you, or have some things faded ?

    A: I do remember most of it, but some of it has faded since it's been ten years. The clearest things I remember are sitting on Jesus' lap and being able to meet my sister and my great grandfather. Also, [the archangel] Michael's huge flaming sword.

    How did four year old Colton know the huge flaming sword was the archangel Michael's ?


    @Brother Rando December 15 Did you see that? Colton placed several definite articles describing Michael, whose name means who is like God?

    Yes for me seeing the created archangel being twice as tall. English is the original language for Heaven is For Real story that has the definitive article. What does the "?" signify in "Who is like God ?" ?


    @Brother Rando December 15 I don't know why you used this information that points out Jesus’ divine identity "to be" Christ and for Jesus to silence them. Can we say Jesus silenced you NOT to point out him "to be" the Christ? Because your argument is not to use "to be" Christ.

    Please clarify what this points out. My apologies for being unable to read @Brother Rando information context (sadly reminds me of a "long good-bye" from a precious friend, whose speech could not communicate context that was followed a few months later by physical body passing away).

    Mark 1:22-28 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    And they were amazed at his teaching, because he was teaching them like one who had authority, and not like the scribes. And so then there was a man in their synagogue with an unclean spirit, and he cried out, saying, “Leave us alone, Jesus the Nazarene! Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are — the Holy One of אלהים God!” And Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be silent, and come out of him!” And after convulsing him and crying out with a loud voice, the unclean spirit came out of him. And they were all amazed, so that they began to discuss with one another, saying, “What is this? A new teaching with authority! He even commands the unclean spirits and they obey him.” And the report about him then went out everywhere in the whole surrounding region of Galilee. 

    Luke 4:31-41 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    And he came down to Capernaum, a town of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbath. And they were astounded at his teaching, because he spoke with authority. And in the synagogue there was a man who had the spirit of an unclean demon, and he cried out with a loud voice, “Ha! Leave us alone, Jesus the Nazarene! Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are — the Holy One of אלהים God!” And Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be silent and come out of him!” And after throwing him down in their midst, the demon came out of him without hurting him at all. And amazement came upon them all, and they began to talk with one another, saying, “What word is this? For he commands the unclean spirits with authority and power, and they come out!” And news about him went out into every place of the surrounding region. 

    And after he set out from the synagogue, he went into Simon’s house. And Simon’s mother-in-law was afflicted with a high fever, and they asked him on behalf of her. And he stood over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. And immediately she got up and began to serve them. 

    Now as the sun was setting, all who had those who were sick with various diseases brought them to him, and placing his hands on every one of them, he healed them. And demons also were coming out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Son of אלהים God!” And he rebuked them and did not permit them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ. 

    Luke 4:41 ends with phrase "... , ὅτι ᾔδεισαν τὸν χριστὸν αὐτὸν εἶναι." => "... , that they knew the Christ Him to be."


    @Brother Rando December 15 1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be")

    How is Greek Strong's 1510 related to 1511 ?

    1510. εἰμί ĕimi, i-mee´; first pers. sing. pres. indic.; a prol. form of a prim. and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was. See also 1488, 1498, 1511, 1527, 2258, 2071, 2070, 2075, 2076, 2771, 2468, 5600.

    1511. εἶναι ĕinai, i´-nahee; pres. infin. from 1510; to exist:—am, are, come, is, × lust after, × please well, there is, to be, was.

     James Strong, A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2009), 25.

    What pronouns are included when translating Greek Strong's 1510 ?

    How is Greek Strong's 2258 related to 1510 ?

    2258. ἦν ēn, ane; imperf. of 1510; I (thou, etc.) was (wast or were):—+agree, be, × have (+ charge of), hold, use, was (-t), were.

     James Strong, A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2009), 35.

    John 1:1-5 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

     In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with אלהים God, and the Word was אלהים God. This one was in the beginning with אלהים God. All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being. In him was life, and the life was the light of humanity. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it. 

    How many times does Greek Strong's 2258 "was" appear in John 1:1-5 ?

    What kind of action is primarily expressed by Koine Greek imperfect verbal tense ? What is the secondary time aspect ?



    @Brother Rando December 15 God's Angel, God's Messenger, God's Christ was given authority to forgive sins as the Son of Man,

    What scripture describes the Son of Man as a created angelic being ?

    To me, Exodus 23:20-21 describes a created supernatural being (possibly Michael the archangel) while Matthew 9:1-8; Mark 2:1-12; Luke 5:17-26 describe the eternal Son of Man (spiritual part of Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God in a Holy human body), who can forgive sins against Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God.

    Exodus 23:20-23 NWT online =>

    20  “I am sending an angel ahead of you+ to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.+ 21  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions,+ because my name is in him. 22  However, if you strictly obey his voice and do all that I say, I will show hostility to your enemies and oppose those who oppose you. 23  For my angel will go ahead of you and will bring you to the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites, and I will annihilate them.

    When were the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites annihilated ?

    Noticed @Brother Rando has posted Exodus 23:20-21 numerous times expressing a Watchtower Society faith belief that confuses the eternal Christ with a created angelic being.

    True prophets of Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God have 100% prophecy fulfillment accuracy. What do numerous Unfulfilled Watch Tower Society predictions communicate about trustworthiness of human organization ?


    What purpose did Holy יהוה Father have in Holy יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Son commanding: πιστεύετε εἰς τὸν θεόν, καὶ εἰς ἐμὲ πιστεύετε (John 14:1 Greek spoken by יֵשׁוּעַ ) ?

    Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing

    Does believing Jesus is NOT אלהים God disobey the John 14:1 command "Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing" ?

    Does believing Jesus is the first creation (OR a special human male) disobey the John 14:1 command "Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing" ?


    Keep Smiling 😊

  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ


    @Brother Rando December 15 So you are claiming that Jesus is just Jesus and NOT Jesus Christ? Even your own Call Sign has No Christ in it. On top of that, you use an English translation (Jesus) that means Jehovah is Salvation. The AntiChrist would fight tooth and nail Not to use the words JESUS CHRIST in the same manner you are doing.


    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ How does Christ, Messiah relate to Jesus ? What words spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary describe the Christ, the Messiah ?

    Another question that only the AntiChirst would ask. "Now as the sun was setting, all who had those who were sick with various diseases brought them to him, and placing his hands on every one of them, he healed them. And demons also were coming out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Son of  God!” And he rebuked them and did not permit them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ. LEB

    The LEB removed "to be" and inserted WAS which is not in scripture to make it past tense (was). But reading the actual Greek we find it they already knew him "to be" the Christ.

    Luke 4:41 ends with phrase "... , ὅτι ᾔδεισαν τὸν χριστὸν αὐτὸν εἶναι." => "... , that they knew the Christ Him to be."

    In the scripture where Jesus Christ admitted to have been alive before Abraham was, the scripture actually reads, Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” John 8:58

    1510. εἰμί ĕimii-mee´; first pers. sing. pres. indic.; a prol. form of a prim. and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was. See also 1488, 1498, 1511, 1527, 2258, 2071, 2070, 2075, 2076, 2771, 2468, 5600.

    Watchtower states: "I have been: The opposing Jews wanted to stone Jesus for claiming that he had “seen Abraham,” although, as they said, Jesus was “not yet 50 years old.” (Joh 8:57) Jesus’ response was to tell them about his prehuman existence as a mighty spirit creature in heaven before Abraham was born. Some claim that this verse identifies Jesus with God. They argue that the Greek expression used here, e·goʹ ei·miʹ (rendered “I am” in some Bibles), is an allusion to the Septuagint rendering of Ex 3:14 and that both verses should be rendered the same way. (See study note on Joh 4:26.) In this context, however, the action expressed by the Greek verb ei·miʹ started “before Abraham came into existence” and was still in progress. It is therefore properly translated “I have been” rather than “I am,” and a number of ancient and modern translations use wording similar to “I have been.” In fact, at Joh 14:9, the same form of the Greek verb ei·miʹ is used to render Jesus’ words: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me?” Most translations use a similar wording, showing that depending on context there is no valid grammatical objection to rendering ei·miʹ as “have been.” (Other examples of rendering a present tense Greek verb using a present perfect tense verb are found at Lu 2:48; 13:7; 15:29; Joh 15:27; Ac 15:21; 2Co 12:19; 1Jo 3:8.) Also, Jesus’ reasoning recorded at Joh 8:54, 55 shows that he was not trying to portray himself as being the same person as his Father."

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ How many times does Greek Strong's 2258 "was" appear in John 1:1-5 ?

    eimi is not used John 1:1-5 at all for the (en) was, is even missing from the meaning as you can read below:

    Strong's Concordance

    eimi: I exist, I am

    Original Word: εἰμί

    Part of Speech: Verb

    Transliteration: eimi

    Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')

    Definition: I exist, I am

    Usage: I am, exist.


    HELPS Word-studies Strong's Concordance 1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be")

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Brother Rando December 18 @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ How does Christ, Messiah relate to Jesus ? What words spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary describe the Christ, the Messiah ?

    @Brother Rando December 18 Another question that only the AntiChirst would ask. 

    Why answer a question about scripture content in Luke 1:26-38 LEB with a slanderous statement ?

    Noticed my Bible question was not answered: What name was given to Mary (Luke 1:26-38) & Joseph (Matthew 1:18-25) ?

    My username for this online forum (& https://community.logos.com/forums/) is my variation of Philippians 4:4 "Χαίρετε ἐν κυρίῳ πάντοτε· πάλιν ἐρῶ, χαίρετε." "Be Ye Rejoicing in Lord always: again I will say, Be Ye Rejoicing" => 'Keep Smiling 4' with my Lord's name given to Mary (Luke 1:26-38) & Joseph (Matthew 1:18-25) => @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus (years ago did not have me consider Christ as part of my username)


    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 18 How many times does Greek Strong's 2258 "was" appear in John 1:1-5 ?

    @Brother Rando December 18 eimi is not used John 1:1-5 at all for the (en) was, is even missing from the meaning as you can read below:

    @Brother Rando December 18 Strong's Concordance

    What are the differences between a concondance, a dictionary, & a lexicon ?

    Searching A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible for phrases "of 1510" OR "from 1510" finds 14 spelling conjunctions (variations) of εἰμί eimí.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 18 What pronouns are included when translating Greek Strong's 1510 ?

    "I" is the only pronoun for verb, present, active, indicative, 1st person, indicative conjunction.

    Most Greek Strong's numbers correspond to a Greek lemma. The verb εἰμί eimí has Greek Strong's numbers assigned for various verb conjugations. Greek Strong's 2071 is εἰμί future tense that includes singular & plural spellings. In contrast, Greek Strong's 1510 present tense εἰμί is singular spelling. FYI: my hard copy Strong's Concordance does not have definitions.


    What does a definition lack about word usage ?


    In English, are the verbs "I am" & "I was" verbal conjunctions of the verb "to be" (present & past time) ?


    John 1:1-5 SBLGNT with search results for lemma.g:εἰμί in bold =>

    Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν. πάντα διʼ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο, καὶ χωρὶς αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ ἕν. ὃ γέγονεν ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν, καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν τὸ φῶς τῶν ἀνθρώπων· καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει, καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν.

    Greek lemma εἰμί occurs six times in John 1:1-5 => ἦν verb, imperfect, active, indicative, 3rd person, singular (conjunction of εἰμί)


    @Brother Rando December 18 Watchtower states: "I have been: The opposing Jews wanted to stone Jesus for claiming that he had “seen Abraham,” although, as they said, Jesus was “not yet 50 years old.” (Joh 8:57) Jesus’ response was to tell them about his prehuman existence as a mighty spirit creature in heaven before Abraham was born. Some claim that this verse identifies Jesus with God. They argue that the Greek expression used here, e·goʹ ei·miʹ (rendered “I am” in some Bibles), is an allusion to the Septuagint rendering of Ex 3:14 and that both verses should be rendered the same way. (See study note on Joh 4:26.) In this context, however, the action expressed by the Greek verb ei·miʹ started “before Abraham came into existence” and was still in progress. It is therefore properly translated “I have been” rather than “I am,” and a number of ancient and modern translations use wording similar to “I have been.” In fact, at Joh 14:9, the same form of the Greek verb ei·miʹ is used to render Jesus’ words: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me?” Most translations use a similar wording, showing that depending on context there is no valid grammatical objection to rendering ei·miʹ as “have been.” (Other examples of rendering a present tense Greek verb using a present perfect tense verb are found at Lu 2:48; 13:7; 15:29; Joh 15:27; Ac 15:21; 2Co 12:19; 1Jo 3:8.) Also, Jesus’ reasoning recorded at Joh 8:54, 55 shows that he was not trying to portray himself as being the same person as his Father."

    True prophets of Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God have 100% prophecy fulfillment accuracy. What do numerous Unfulfilled Watch Tower Society predictions communicate about trustworthiness of human organization ?

    John 8:57-58 LEB => So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I am!”

    John 8:57-58 SBLGNT => εἶπον οὖν οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι πρὸς αὐτόν· Πεντήκοντα ἔτη οὔπω ἔχεις καὶ Ἀβραὰμ ἑώρακας; εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς· Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί.

    Does sentence spoken by יהוה Salvation seem complete: " Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί. " " Truly truly I say in/by/to you, before Abraham was to be I being (am). "

    Primary Greek verbal aspect of present tense, indicative mood is continous action (being) with secondary aspect of time (am).

    FYI: Watchtower variation: " Most truly I say to you, before Abraham into existence, I have been " feels to me like ἐγὼ εἰμί is being translated as a perfect tense: completed action with ongoing results.

    John 14:1-14 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>

     “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in אלהים God; believe also in me. In my Father’s house there are many dwelling places; but if not, I would have told you, because I am going away to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to myself, so that where I am, you may be also. And you know the way where I am going.” 

    Thomas said to him, “יהוה Lord, we do not know where you are going. How are we able to know the way?”

    Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you know him and have seen him.” 

    Philip said to him, “יהוה Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”

    Jesus said to him, “Am I with you so long a time and you have not known me, Philip? The one who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’ Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak from myself, but the Father residing in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if not, believe because of the works themselves. Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in me, the works that I am doing he will do also, and he will do greater works than these because I am going to the Father. And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it

    Does believing Jesus is NOT אלהים God disobey the John 14:1 command: "... You believe in אלהים God; believe also in me. ..." ?


    Keep Smiling 😊

  • How does Christ, Messiah relate to Jesus ? What words spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary describe the Christ, the Messiah ?

    @Brother Rando December 18 Another question that only the AntiChirst would ask. 

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ  Why answer a question about scripture content in Luke 1:26-38 LEB with a slanderous statement ?

    Your own comment that you quoted exposes you as a hypocrite. "Although the expansions in the variant readings are probably the result of scribal conformity to Luke 4:41, it seems odd that not one scribe made an insertion from a Mark an parallel, such as 1:24 (where the demons call him “Holy One of God”) or 3:11 and 5:7 (where the demons call him “the Son of God”). In any case, it is within the scope of Mark’s presentation for the demons to know Jesus’ divine identity and for Jesus to silence them. This is part of the “messianic secret” motif that recurs in this gospel. Westcott and Hort adopted the first variant due to their preference for B, although it is bracketed. All English versions follow TR or NU."

    • the demons call him “Holy One of God” (Something you have always rejected)
    • the demons call him “the Son of God” (Something you have always rejected)
    • Mark’s presentation for the demons to know Jesus’ divine identity and for Jesus to silence them. This is part of the “messianic secret” (Something you have always rejected)
    • LEB never added eimi for it rejects Jesus "to be Christ"
    • LEB removed eimi from Luke 4:41 "to be" and added WAS to the scripture that was NEVER there

    Luke 4:41 in the LEB reads And demons also came out of many, crying, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.

    •  41 and demons also went out from many, crying out and saying, Thou art the Son of God. And rebuking them, he suffered them not to speak, because they knew him to be the Christ. (Darby)

    Berean Literal Bible

    And demons also were going out from many, crying out and saying, "You are the Son of God." And rebuking them, He did not allow them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.

    NASB 1995

    Demons also were coming out of many, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But rebuking them, He would not allow them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.

    NASB 1977

    And demons also were coming out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Son of God!” And rebuking them, He would not allow them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.

    Literal Standard Version

    And demons were also coming forth from many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ, the Son of God”; and rebuking, He did not permit them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.

    Weymouth New Testament

    Demons also came out of many, loudly calling out, "You are the Son of God." But He rebuked them and forbad them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.

    Young's Literal Translation

    And demons also were coming forth from many, crying out and saying -- 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of God;' and rebuking, he did not suffer them to speak, because they knew him to be the Christ.

    The reason evil translations like the LEB removed eimi from this scripture is it's Satan's Way of hiding Jesus identity as the Christ the Son of the living God. Matthew 16:16 (Something you have always rejected)

    Strong's Concordance

    eimi: I exist, I am

    Original Word: εἰμί

    Part of Speech: Verb

    Transliteration: eimi

    Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')

    Definition: I exist, I am

    Usage: I am, exist.

    HELPS Word-studies 1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be"

    @Brother Rando December 15 I don't know why you used this information that points out Jesus’ divine identity "to be" Christ and for Jesus to silence them. Can we say Jesus silenced you NOT to point out him "to be" the Christ? Because your argument is not to use "to be" Christ.

    •  And so then there was a man in their synagogue with an unclean spirit, and he cried out, saying, “Leave us alone, Jesus the Nazarene! Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are — the Holy One of God!” And Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be silent, and come out of him!”


    • Luke 4:41 ends with phrase "... , ὅτι ᾔδεισαν τὸν χριστὸν αὐτὸν εἶναι." => "... , that they knew the Christ Him to be." But the LEB removed "to be" εἶναι.. therefore, can we say that Jesus silenced the LEB NOT to point out Jesus "to be" the Christ?


    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • The angel Gabriel was sent to Mary as it is written in Luke 1:26-38 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>

    Now in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from אלהים God to a town of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin legally promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of the house of David. And the name of the virgin was Mary.

    And he came to her and said, “Greetings, favored one! The יהוה Lord is with you.”

    But she was greatly perplexed at the statement, and was pondering what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, 

    “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with אלהים God. And behold, you will conceive in the womb and will give birth to a son, 

    and you will call his name Jesus. This one will be great, and he will be called the Son of the Most High, and the יהוה Lord אלהים God will give him the throne of his father David. And he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end. 

    And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I have not had sexual relations with a man?”

    And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore also the one to be born will be called holy, the Son of אלהים God. And behold, your relative Elizabeth — she also has conceived a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren. For nothing will be impossible with אלהים God.” 

    So Mary said, “Behold, the Lord’s female slave! May it happen to me according to your word.”

    And the angel departed from her. 

    Scripture questions for @Brother Rando

    How does Christ, Messiah relate to Jesus ?

    What words spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary describe the Christ, the Messiah ?



    @Brother Rando December 20 Your own comment that you quoted exposes you as a hypocrite. "Although the expansions in the variant readings are probably the result of scribal conformity to Luke 4:41, it seems odd that not one scribe made an insertion from a Mark an parallel, such as 1:24 (where the demons call him “Holy One of God”) or 3:11 and 5:7 (where the demons call him “the Son of God”). In any case, it is within the scope of Mark’s presentation for the demons to know Jesus’ divine identity and for Jesus to silence them. This is part of the “messianic secret” motif that recurs in this gospel. Westcott and Hort adopted the first variant due to their preference for B, although it is bracketed. All English versions follow TR or NU."

    Puzzling snippet quoting by @Brother Rando that confuses who wrote the Mark 1:34 textual variant comments.

    Mark 1:34 has two textual variants:

    TR NU ᾔδεισαν αὐτόν “they knew him” א* A 0130 Maj all

    variant 1/WH ηδεισαν αυτον Χριστον ειναι “they knew him to be Christ” B L W Θ f1 28 33 nasbmg netmg

    variant 2 ηδεισαν αυτον τον Χριστον ειναι “they knew him to be the Christ” א2 (C) f 700 none

    Although the expansions in the variant readings are probably the result of scribal conformity to Luke 4:41, it seems odd that not one scribe made an insertion from a Markan parallel, such as 1:24 (where the demons call him “Holy One of God”) or 3:11 and 5:7 (where the demons call him “the Son of God”). In any case, it is within the scope of Mark’s presentation for the demons to know Jesus’ divine identity and for Jesus to silence them. This is part of the “messianic secret” motif that recurs in this gospel. Westcott and Hort adopted the first variant due to their preference for B, although it is bracketed. All English versions follow TR or NU.

     Philip W. Comfort, New Testament Text and Translation Commentary: Commentary on the Variant Readings of the Ancient New Testament Manuscripts and How They Relate to the Major English Translations (Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., 2008), 97.

    SBLGNT Textual Apparatus for Mark 1:34 agrees with Philip W. Comfort's comment about Westcott & Hort (WH) =>

    34 αὐτόν Treg NA28 RP ] + χριστὸν εἶναι WH 

     Michael W. Holmes, Apparatus for the Greek New Testament: SBL Edition (Logos Bible Software, 2010), Mk 1:34.

    Noticed lack of any reply by @Brother Rando for credible source(s) about LEB 'Removed CHRIST' that was requested on November 16

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus November 16 Please provide credible source(s) for assertion 'LEB removed "to be" Christ' as 'removed' implies the words were present at some point in the past, followed by removal. My previous research found a Mark 1:34 scribal addition "to be" Christ' in a Greek family of manuscripts.

    Remember JW.org online library has three Bibles that agree with LEB in Mark 1:34 => Mark 1:34 KJV , Mark 1:34 ASV , & Mark 1:34 The Bible in Living English plus The Emphasized Bible with brackets [to be Christ] showing scribal addition.


    Mark 1:34 in NASB 1977 has a * footnote =>

    34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they * knew who He was.

    * Some mss. read knew Him to be Christ

     New American Standard Bible, electronic edition. (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 1986), Mk 1:34.


    @Brother Rando December 20 Strong's Concordance

    @Brother Rando December 20 eimi: I exist, I am

    @Brother Rando December 20 Original Word: εἰμί

    Curious about word definition in a Strong's Concordance ?

    My printed Strong's Concordance has verse(s) where a word is used, but does NOT have definitions.

    The lexicons (original language dictionaries) include several resources that discuss range of word meaning. Concise Strong's Dictionary has simplistic definitions: e.g. 1510 & 1511

    1510. εἰμί ĕimii-mee´; first pers. sing. pres. indic.; a prol. form of a prim. and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was. See also 1488, 1498, 1511, 1527, 2258, 2071, 2070, 2075, 2076, 2771, 2468, 5600.

    1511. εἶναι ĕinaii´-nahee; pres. infin. from 1510; to exist:—am, are, come, is, × lust after, × please well, there is, to be, was.

     James Strong, A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2009), 25.

    Notice the concise Greek Strong's dictionary for 1510 includes "See also 1488, 1498, 1511, 1527, 2258, 2071, 2070, 2075, 2076, 2771, 2468, 5600." for 12 other verbal conjugations of εἰμί that have their own Greek Strong's number, which is notably missing from the Strong's Concordance provided by @Brother Rando



    Luke 4:31-41 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    And he came down to Capernaum, a town of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbath. And they were astounded at his teaching, because he spoke with authority. And in the synagogue there was a man who had the spirit of an unclean demon, and he cried out with a loud voice, “Ha! Leave us alone, Jesus the Nazarene! Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are — the Holy One of אלהים God!” And Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be silent and come out of him!” And after throwing him down in their midst, the demon came out of him without hurting him at all. And amazement came upon them all, and they began to talk with one another, saying, “What word is this? For he commands the unclean spirits with authority and power, and they come out!” And news about him went out into every place of the surrounding region. 

    And after he set out from the synagogue, he went into Simon’s house. And Simon’s mother-in-law was afflicted with a high fever, and they asked him on behalf of her. And he stood over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. And immediately she got up and began to serve them. 

    Now as the sun was setting, all who had those who were sick with various diseases brought them to him, and placing his hands on every one of them, he healed them. And demons also were coming out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Son of אלהים God!” And he rebuked them and did not permit them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ. 

    Luke 4:41 ends with phrase "... , ὅτι ᾔδεισαν τὸν χριστὸν αὐτὸν εἶναι." => "... , that they knew the Christ Him to be." that is awkward Modern English so LEB translators rendered "... , they knew that he was the Christ." My literal Luke 4:41 translation "... , that they knew the Christ Him to be." kept Greek word order, which is different than "to be the Christ" chosen by human translators in English Bibles quoted by @Brother Rando

    Translation process is intersection of source language range of meaning & target language range of meaning within bounds of human translator beliefs. Because of different verbal systems, what does NOT translate well is original language verbal nuances. English verbs have primary focus of time: past, present, OR future. Hebrew verbs express kind of action: happening, volitional, completed,... Greek verbs primarily express kind of action with secondary aspect of time. Four of the seven verbal tenses can have a secondary time aspect. Caveat: when translating Hebrew verbs into Greek, any time aspect is a human belief interpretation (could reflect Hebrew contextual words).


    @Brother Rando December 20 * the demons call him “Holy One of God” (Something you have always rejected)

    @Brother Rando December 20 * the demons call him “the Son of God” (Something you have always rejected)

    @Brother Rando December 20 * Mark’s presentation for the demons to know Jesus’ divine identity and for Jesus to silence them. This is part of the “messianic secret” (Something you have always rejected)

    Due to numerous Unfulfilled Watch Tower Society predictions I have always rejected JW Society interpretations that truly does NOT know Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God (while the Society has lots of twisted knowledge: e.g. Strong's Concordance having word definitions).

    Isa 54:5 For your husband is your maker, his name is Yahweh of hosts; and your redeemer is the holy one of Israel, he is called the God of all of the earth.

    To me, the Holy One of Israel = יהוה Salvation = יהוה Hosts is called the אלהים God of all of the earth. The fullness of Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God unique spirit is three voices (plural) in One being eternally. All created beings have one voice. Humans can invite demonic voices to be inside their body.

    Whose Kingly Glory is visible around the whole earth ? as it is written in Isaiah 6:1-5 LEB =>

    In the year of the death of Uzziah the king, I saw the יהוה Lord sitting on a high and raised throne, and the hem of his robe was filling the temple. Seraphs were standing above him. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And the one called to the other and said, 

    “Holy, holy, holy is יהוה Yahweh of hosts! The whole earth is full of his glory.” 

    And the pivots of the thresholds shook from the sound of those who called, and the house was filled with smoke. 

    And I said, “Woe to me! For I am destroyed! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I am living among a people of unclean lips, for my eyes have seen the king, יהוה Yahweh of hosts!” 

    Who shares " יהוה Righteousness of we " name ? as it is written in Jeremiah 23:5-6 LEB =>

    Look, days are coming,” declares יהוה Yahweh, “when I will raise up for David a righteous branch, and he will reign as king, and he will achieve success, and he will do justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell in safety, and this is his name by which he will be called: ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’

    To me, the pronoun 'our' in phrase ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’ expresses Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God's point of view as the last two Hebrew words יהוה צדקנו have literal meaning " יהוה Righteousness of we " (consistent with One Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God being uniquely unlike any created human being by having more than one voice, a plural unique God as described in Deuteronomy 6:4).

    My forever best friend & redeemer יהוה Hosts = יהוה Salvation = יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua = Jesus can forgive sin if a human wants to repent from their sin against Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God, believe יֵשׁ֔וּעַ Yeshua is יהוה Lord & receive the free ❤️ love gift from Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God. To me, יהוה Hosts humbly left Holy Heaven to be clothed in human flesh as The Son of אלהים God & The Son of Man, who is King Righteous (Melchizedek).


    Keep Smiling 😊

  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ 

    Mark 1:34 in NASB 1977 has a * footnote =>

    34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they * knew who He was.

    * Some mss. read knew Him to be Christ

    Thank you for the admission of your anitchristian deception of removing "to be Christ" from the LEB as earlier MSS transcripts did indeed read  knew Him to be Christ.

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ 

    How does Christ, Messiah relate to Jesus ? What words spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary describe the Christ, the Messiah ?

    Your own comment that you quoted exposes you as a hypocrite. "Although the expansions in the variant readings are probably the result of scribal conformity to Luke 4:41, it seems odd that not one scribe made an insertion from a Mark an parallel, such as 1:24 (where the demons call him “Holy One of God”) or 3:11 and 5:7 (where the demons call him “the Son of God”). In any case, it is within the scope of Mark’s presentation for the demons to know Jesus’ divine identity and for Jesus to silence them. This is part of the “messianic secret” motif that recurs in this gospel. Westcott and Hort adopted the first variant due to their preference for B, although it is bracketed. All English versions follow TR or NU."

    Therefore, Gabriel referred to the Christ as the Holy One of God... NOT Holy One of Israel as you try by slight of hand try to introduce.

    • the demons called him “Holy One of God” (Something you have always rejected)
    • the demons called him “the Son of God” (Something you have always rejected)
    • Mark’s presentation for the demons to know Jesus’ divine identity and for Jesus to silence them. This is part of the “messianic secret” (Something you have always rejected)
    • LEB never added eimi for it rejects Jesus "to be Christ" and removed even though the also knew (* Some mss. read knew Him to be Christ
    • LEB also removed eimi from Luke 4:41 "to be" and added WAS to the scripture that was NEVER there

    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ 

    To me, the Holy One of Israel = יהוה Salvation = יהוה Hosts is called the אלהים God of all of the earth. The fullness of Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God unique spirit is three voices (plural) in One being eternally. All created beings have one voice. Humans can invite demonic voices to be inside their body.

    That is because you deny Jesus as the Christ, the Son of the living God. Therefore when Jesus stated (John 3:16) it has no meaning to you because you deny the only begotten son. Gabriel never referred to Jesus as the Holy One of Israel but rather the Holy One of God.

    HELPS Word-studies 1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be"

    @Brother Rando December 15 I don't know why you used this information that points out Jesus’ divine identity "to be" Christ and for Jesus to silence them. Can we say Jesus silenced you NOT to point out him "to be" the Christ? Because your argument is not to use eimi "to be" Christ.

    •  And so then there was a man in their synagogue with an unclean spirit, and he cried out, saying, “Leave us alone, Jesus the Nazarene! Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are — the Holy One of God!” And Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be silent, and come out of him!”


    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

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    Does eternal truth of Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God change ?

    Ephesians 3:14-21 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    On account of this, I bend my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, that he may grant you according to the riches of his glory to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inner person, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith (you having been firmly rooted and established in love), in order that you may be strong enough to grasp together with all the saints what is the breadth, and length, and height, and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, in order that you may be filled up to all the fullness of אלהים God. Now to the one who is able to do beyond all measure more than all that we ask or think, according to the power that is at work in us, to him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen. 

    My search in all directions for Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God's ❤️ Love has me realizing my Holy abiding in Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God is limited by my own faith belief. Thankful for many sweet hours of 🙏 prayer cuddled with/in Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God's ❤️ Love 😍

    Psalm 23:1-3 LEB =>

    יהוה Yahweh is my shepherd; I will not lack for anything. In grassy pastures he makes me lie down; by quiet waters he leads me. He restores my life. He leads me in correct paths for the sake of his name. 

    יהוה Salvation (Jesus) described Himself in John 10:11-18 LEB =>

    “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hired hand, who is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, sees the wolf approaching and abandons the sheep and runs away — and the wolf seizes them and scatters them — because he is a hired hand and he is not concerned about the sheep. 

    “I am the good shepherd, and I know my own, and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father, and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep which are not from this fold. I must bring these also, and they will hear my voice, and they will become one flock — one shepherd. Because of this the Father loves me, because I lay down my life so that I may take possession of it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take possession of it again. This commandment I received from my Father.” 

    What is the ❤️ shepherd relationship between Psalm 23:1-3 & John 10:11-18 ?

    @Brother Rando December 13  Nobody is Good but God alone.

    Could יהוה Salvation (Jesus) be the Good יהוה Yahweh God shepherd ?


    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 22 Mark 1:34 in NASB 1977 has a * footnote =>

    34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they * knew who He was.

    * Some mss. read knew Him to be Christ

    @Brother Rando December 22 Thank you for the admission of your anitchristian deception of removing "to be Christ" from the LEB as earlier MSS transcripts did indeed read knew Him to be Christ.

    Codex Vaticanus (in the Vatican Library) and Codex Sinaiticus both date back to the 4th Century, but Codex Sinaiticus does NOT have " χριστὸν εἶναι " " Christ to be " in Mark 1:34

    The Syriac Peshitta (Simple) is an early translation from Greek into Syriac, an Aramaic dialect. Translation into English shows Syriac Peshitta does not have "to be Christ" in Mark 1:34 =>

    (34) And he healed many who labored under divers diseases, and cast out many demons; and he suffered not the demons to speak, because they knew him. 

     James Murdock, trans., The Syriac New Testament: Translated into English from the Syriac Peshitto Version (Piscataway, NJ: Gorgias Press, 2001), Mk 1:34.

    The Koine Greek text for the LEB New Testament is the Society of Biblical Languages Greek New Testament (SBLGNT), which chose consistency with most Greek manuscripts of Mark that do NOT have " χριστὸν εἶναι " " Christ to be " (Koine Greek word order has Christ before εἰμί infinitive "to be").

    The LEB preface includes =>

    Second, the LEB is designed from the beginning to make extensive use of the most up-to-date lexical reference works available. For the Old Testament this is primarily The Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (HALOT), and for New Testament this is primarily the third edition of Walter Bauer’s A Greek–English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BDAG). Users can be assured that the LEB as a translation is based on the best scholarly research available. The Hebrew text on which the LEB Old Testament is based is that of Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia. The Greek text on which the LEB New Testament is based is that of The Greek New Testament: SBL Edition (SBLGNT), a new edition produced by Michael W. Holmes in conjunction with the Society of Biblical Literature and Logos Bible Software. In its evaluation of textual variation, the SBLGNT uses modern text-critical methodology along with guidance from the most recently available articles, monographs, and technical commentaries to establish the text of the Greek New Testament.

     W. Hall Harris III et al., eds., The Lexham English Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012).

    Notice BDAG is the reference lexicon for Greek word range of meaning & usage (much more comprehensive than Strong's). Trying to paste BDAG entry about εἰμί (with many examples) resulted in a draft warning of more than 52,000 characters allowed in a single comment. BDAG's 11 εἰμί definitions are:

    be, exist, be on hand a pred. use (for other pred. use s. 3a, 4, 5, 6, 7): 

    to be in close connection (with), is, freq. in statements of identity or equation, as a copula, the equative function, uniting subject and predicate. 

    ⓐ gener. πραΰς εἰμι I am gentle Mt 11:29. 

    ⓑ to describe a special connection betw. the subject and a predicate noun ἡμεῖς ναὸς θεοῦ ἐσμεν ζῶντος we are a temple of the living God 2 Cor 6:16. 

    ⓒ in explanations:

    α. to show how someth. is to be understood is a representation of, is the equivalent of; 

    β. to be of relative significance, be of moment or importance, amount to someth. w. indef. pron. εἰδωλόθυτόν τί ἐστιν meat offered to idols means anything 1 Cor 10:19. 

    be in reference to location, persons, condition, or time, be

    ⓐ of various relations or positions involving a place or thing: 

    ⓑ involving humans or transcendent beings: 

    ⓒ of condition or circumstance: 

    ⓓ of time ἐγγύς of καιρός be near Mt 26:18; Mk 13:28. 

    to be alive in a period of time, live, denoting temporal existence (Hom., Trag., Thu. et al.; Sir 42:21; En 102:5 Philo, De Jos. 17; Jos., Ant. 7, 254) εἰ ἤμεθα ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις τῶν πατέρων ἡμῶν if we had lived in the days of our fathers Mt 23:30. 

    to be the time at which someth. takes place w. indications of specific moments or occasions, be (X., Hell. 4, 5, 1, An. 4, 3, 8; Sus 13 Theod.; 1 Macc 6:49; 2 Macc 8:26; Jos., Ant. 6, 235 νουμηνία δʼ ἦν; 11, 251): 

    to take place as a phenomenon or event, take place, occur, become, be, be in (Hom., Thu. et al.; LXX; En 104:5; 106:6.—Cp. Just., D. 82, 2 of Christ’s predictions ὅπερ καὶ ἔστι ‘which is in fact the case’.) ἔσται θόρυβος τοῦ λαοῦ a popular uprising Mk 14:2. 

    to exist as possibility ἔστιν w. inf. foll. it is possible, one can (Περὶ ὕψους 6; Diog. L. 1, 110 ἔστιν εὑρεῖν=one can find; Just., A I, 59, 10 ἔστι ταῦτα ἀκοῦσαι καὶ μαθεῖν; D. 42, 3 ἰδεῖν al.; Mel., P. 19, 127); 

    to have a point of derivation or origin, be,/come from somewhere ἐκ τῆς ἐξουσίας Ἡρῴδου from Herod’s jurisdiction Lk 23:7

    to belong to someone or someth. through association or genetic affiliation, be, belong w. simple gen. (X., Hell. 2, 4, 36; Iambl., Vi. Pyth. 33, 230 τῶν Πυθαγορείων) οἱ τῆς ὁδοῦ ὄντες those who belong to the Way Ac 9:2. 

    to have someth. to do with someth. or someone, be. 

    ⑪ as an auxiliary: 

    ⓐ (as in Hom et al.) w. the pf. ptc. to express the pf., plpf. and fut. pf. act. and pass. (s. Mayser 329; 377) ἦσαν ἐληλυθότες they had come Lk 5:17. 

    ⓑ w. pres. ptc. (B-D-F §353).

    α. to express the pres. ἐστὶν προσαναπληροῦσα τὰ ὑστερήματα supplies the wants 2 Cor 9:12 (Just., A I, 26, 5 Μαρκίων … καὶ νῦν ἔτι ἐστὶ διδάσκων; Mel., P. 61, 441 ἐστὶν … κηρυσσόμενον).

    β. impf. or aor. ἦν καθεύδων he was sleeping Mk 4:38. 

    γ. fut. ἔσῃ σιωπῶν you will be silent Lk 1:20; cp. 5:10; Mt 24:9; Mk 13:13; Lk 21:17, 24 al.; 2 Cl 17:7 Bihlm. (the child) shall serve him (God).

    ⓒ w. aor. ptc. as plpf. (Aelian, NA 7, 11; Hippiatr. 34, 14, vol. I p. 185, 3 ἦν σκευάσας; ISyriaW 2070b ἦν κτίσας; AcThom 16; 27 [Aa II/2 p. 123, 2f; p. 142, 10]; B-D-F §355 m.—JVogeser, Z. Sprache d. griech. Heiligenlegenden, diss. Munich 1907, 14; JWittmann, Sprachl. Untersuchungen zu Cosmas Indicopleustes, diss. Munich 1913, 20; SPsaltes, Gramm. d. byzant. Chroniken 1913, 230; Björck [διδάσκω end] 75; B-D-F §355). 

    ⓓ Notice esp. the impersonals δέον ἐστίν it is necessary (Pla. et al.; POxy 727, 19; Sir praef.

    ⓔ In many cases the usage w. the ptc. serves to emphasize the duration of an action or condition (BGU 183, 25 ἐφʼ ὃν χρόνον ζῶσα ᾖ Σαταβούς); 

    ⓕ to emphasize the adjectival idea inherent in the ptc. rather than the concept of action expressed by the finite verb ζῶν εἰμι I am alive Rv 1:18. 


     William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000), 282–286.

    BDAG outline numbering: #, lower case English letter, lower case Greek letter

    Can we say @Brother Rando does NOT know the Greek spelling conjugations of εἰμί ?

    @Brother Rando December 15 I don't know why you used this information that points out Jesus’ divine identity "to be" Christ and for Jesus to silence them. Can we say Jesus silenced you NOT to point out him "to be" the Christ? Because your argument is not to use eimi "to be" Christ.

    No, we can NOT. Thank You for trying to state what you understand of my argument. My December 22 reply included => Luke 4:41 ends with phrase "... , ὅτι ᾔδεισαν τὸν χριστὸν αὐτὸν εἶναι." => "... , that they knew the Christ Him to be." that is awkward Modern English so LEB translators rendered "... , they knew that he was the Christ." My literal Luke 4:41 translation "... , that they knew the Christ Him to be." kept Greek word order, which is different than "to be the Christ" chosen by human translators in English Bibles quoted by @Brother Rando


    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus November 16 Please provide credible source(s) for assertion 'LEB removed "to be" Christ' as 'removed' implies the words were present at some point in the past, followed by removal. My previous research found a Mark 1:34 scribal addition "to be" Christ' in a Greek family of manuscripts.

    Noticed ongoing lack of reply by @Brother Rando for credible source(s) about LEB 'Removed CHRIST' that was requested on November 16



    @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus December 22 How does Christ, Messiah relate to Jesus ? What words spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary describe the Christ, the Messiah ?

    @Brother Rando December 22 Therefore, Gabriel referred to the Christ as the Holy One of God... NOT Holy One of Israel as you try by slight of hand try to introduce.

    "Therefore" follows @Brother Rando snippet quoting about Mark 1:34 textual variants so conclusion about Luke 1:26-38 is puzzling (relationship is blind to me), especially as the words spoken by Gabriel to Mary do NOT have the word Christ NOR phrase "Holy One".

    The angel Gabriel was sent to Mary as it is written in Luke 1:26-38 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>

    Now in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from אלהים God to a town of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin legally promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of the house of David. And the name of the virgin was Mary.

    And he came to her and said, “Greetings, favored one! The יהוה Lord is with you.”

    But she was greatly perplexed at the statement, and was pondering what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, 

    “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with אלהים God. And behold, you will conceive in the womb and will give birth to a son, 

    and you will call his name Jesus. This one will be great, and he will be called the Son of the Most High, and the יהוה Lord אלהים God will give him the throne of his father David. And he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end. 

    And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I have not had sexual relations with a man?”

    And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore also the one to be born will be called holy, the Son of אלהים God. And behold, your relative Elizabeth — she also has conceived a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren. For nothing will be impossible with אלהים God.” 

    So Mary said, “Behold, the Lord’s female slave! May it happen to me according to your word.”

    And the angel departed from her. 

    My eyes see words spoken by Gabriel to Mary describing the prophesied Moshiach = Messiah = Christ . Also, Mary's believing reaction for being chosen by Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God to be part of Moshiach redemption plan is worth imitating => Hear & Obey Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God

    Human wondering if my Scripture questions about Luke 1:26-38 "How does Christ, Messiah relate to Jesus ? What words spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary describe the Christ, the Messiah ?" are unknown for @Brother Rando (since truthful answers contradict Watchtower Society interpretation of Christ) so @Brother Rando is implementing JW training by reverting to something "known" by @Brother Rando (distraction).

    @Brother Rando December 18 Another question that only the AntiChirst would ask. 

    Does "AntiChrist" description imply truthful answers to my Luke 1:26-38 questions contradict JW organizational theological teaching ?


    Keep Smiling 😊

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  • @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ who introduces False Reasoning in order to deny JESUS CHRIST

    Ephesians 3:14-21 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    • The Hebrew word אלהים is not in the Greek Scriptures at all. It is a slanderous attack on Jesus being the Christ, the Son of the living God. (Matthew 16:16) Therefore using אלהים for Ephesians 3:19 is a demonic deception. The Greek word used actually means "of God" theou.


    That is why the Apostle Paul wrote:

    Ephesians 3:14

    For this reason I bend my knees to the Father,

    Ephesians 3:15

    to whom every family in heaven and on earth owes its name.

    Ephesians 3:16

    I pray that he may grant you through the abundance of his glory to be made mighty in the man you are inside, with power through his spirit,

    Ephesians 3:17

    and that through your faith you may have the Christ dwell in your hearts with love. May you be rooted and established on the foundation,

    Ephesians 3:18

    in order that with all the holy ones you may be thoroughly able to comprehend fully what is the breadth and length and height and depth,

    Ephesians 3:19

    and to know the love of the Christ, which surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness that God gives.

    Ephesians 3:20

    Now to the one who can, according to his power that is operating in us, do more than superabundantly beyond all the things we ask or conceive,

    Ephesians 3:21

    to him be the glory by means of the congregation and by means of Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen.

    Thankful for Google transliterates יהוה in English as Jehovah. Visit JW.org about whom Jesus Christ calls the Only True God in (John 17:3)

  • @Brother Rando December 23 @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ who introduces False Reasoning in order to deny JESUS CHRIST

    Due to numerous Unfulfilled Watch Tower Society predictions I have always rejected JW Society interpretations & false reasonings that truly do NOT know Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God (while the Society has lots of twisted knowledge: e.g. Michael the archangel's life force in a human baby).

    @Brother Rando December 23 The Hebrew word אלהים is not in the Greek Scriptures at all. It is a slanderous attack on Jesus being the Christ, the Son of the living God. (Matthew 16:16) Therefore using אלהים for Ephesians 3:19 is a demonic deception. The Greek word used actually means "of God" theou

    Could Paul's Jewish learning include knowing אלהים occurences (2,601) in the Hebrew Bible, which had been usually translated into Greek Septuagint (LXX) as masculine θεός thĕŏs God (87%) & sometimes as κύριος kuriŏs Lord (4%) & twice as feminine θεῖος thĕiŏs (goddess in Exodus 31:3 & Proverbs 2:17) a couple centuries before יֵשׁ֔וּעַ was conceived as a Holy baby to redeem people from sin ?

    θεός thĕŏs genitive grammatical spelling is θεοῦ theou that shows of possession OR from ablative agent.


    Ephesians 3:14-19 (SBLGNT) is one Greek sentence penned by Paul =>

    Τούτου χάριν κάμπτω τὰ γόνατά μου πρὸς τὸν πατέρα, ἐξ οὗ πᾶσα πατριὰ ἐν οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς ὀνομάζεται, ἵνα δῷ ὑμῖν κατὰ τὸ πλοῦτος τῆς δόξης αὐτοῦ δυνάμει κραταιωθῆναι διὰ τοῦ πνεύματος αὐτοῦ εἰς τὸν ἔσω ἄνθρωπον, κατοικῆσαι τὸν Χριστὸν διὰ τῆς πίστεως ἐν ταῖς καρδίαις ὑμῶν ἐν ἀγάπῃ· ἐρριζωμένοι καὶ τεθεμελιωμένοι, ἵνα ἐξισχύσητε καταλαβέσθαι σὺν πᾶσιν τοῖς ἁγίοις τί τὸ πλάτος καὶ μῆκος καὶ ὕψος καὶ βάθος, γνῶναί τε τὴν ὑπερβάλλουσαν τῆς γνώσεως ἀγάπην τοῦ Χριστοῦ, ἵνα πληρωθῆτε εἰς πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τοῦ θεοῦ.

    The last clause is "... , ἵνα πληρωθῆτε εἰς πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τοῦ θεοῦ. " " ... , so that ye may be complete to all the fullness of/from the God. "


    Wikipedia describes Papyrus 46 being paleographically dated between 175 and 225,[2] or early 3rd century CE.[3]

    Does picture of papyrus 46 for Ephesians 1:1-11 have chapter & verse numbers ?

    FWIW: papyrus 46 shows "To Ephesians" above the letter text while the address to saints does not specify location in Ephesians 1:1. I believe this letter was written with intent to be copied & sent to many Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus The Christ believers (the holy ones) in various locations. The first half of Ephesians describes how Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God ❤️ loves every human with desire for every human to experience Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God spiritual blessings with caveat for each human choosing what to  ❤️ love most. The second half of Ephesians describes how to live that pleases Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God 😍

    Ephesians 3:14-21 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>

    On account of this, I bend my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, that he may grant you according to the riches of his glory to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inner person, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith (you having been firmly rooted and established in love), in order that you may be strong enough to grasp together with all the saints what is the breadth, and length, and height, and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, in order that you may be filled up to all the fullness of אלהים God. Now to the one who is able to do beyond all measure more than all that we ask or think, according to the power that is at work in us, to him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen. 

    Ephesians 3:14-21 LEB formatted similar to Papyrus 46 (line break can happen in the middle of a word) =>

    Onaccountofthis,IbendmykneesbeforetheFather,fromwhomeveryfami

    lyinheavenandonearthisnamed,thathemaygrantyouaccordingtotherich

    esofhisglorytobestrengthenedwithpowerthroughhisSpiritintheinnerpe

    rson,thatChristmaydwellinyourheartsthroughfaith(youhavingbeenfirm

    lyrootedandestablishedinlove),inorderthatyoumaybestrongenoughtog

    rasptogetherwithallthesaintswhatisthebreadth,andlength,andheight,a

    nddepth,andtoknowtheloveofChristthatsurpassesknowledge,inordert

    hatyoumaybefilleduptoallthefullnessofGod.Nowtotheonewhoisableto

    dobeyondallmeasuremorethanallthatweaskorthink,accordingtothepo

    werthatisatworkinus,tohimbethegloryinthechurchandinChristJesustoa

    llgenerationsforeverandever.Amen. 

    Modern formatting has space between words.


    Keep Smiling 😊

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