Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #2
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@Brother Rando July 26 Melchizedek is not Holy יהוה Lord to glorify אלהים God.
How is Melchizedek described in Hebrews 7:1-28 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high אלהים God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth of everything — in the first place, his name is translated “king of righteousness,” and then also “king of Salem,” that is, “king of peace”; without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of אלהים God — he remains a priest for all time.
But see how great this man was, to whom Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth from the spoils! And indeed those of the sons of Levi who receive the priesthood have a commandment to collect a tenth from the people according to the law, that is, from their brothers, although they are descended from Abraham. But the one who did not trace his descent from them collected tithes from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises. Now without any dispute the inferior is blessed by the more prominent. And in this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case it is testified that he lives. And, so to speak, even Levi, the one who receives tithes, has paid tithes through Abraham. For he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.
Thus if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood, for on the basis of it the people received the law, what further need is there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek and not said to be according to the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood changes, of necessity there is a change of the law also. For the one about whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe from which no one has officiated at the altar. For it is evident that our יהוה Lord is a descendant of Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses said nothing concerning priests. And it is still more clear, if another priest according to the likeness of Melchizedek arises, who has become a priest not according to a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life. For it is testified,
“You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”
For on the one hand a preceding commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (for the law made nothing perfect), but on the other hand there is the introduction of a better hope through which we draw near to אלהים God. And by as much as this was not without an oath (for these on the one hand have become priests without an oath, but he with an oath by the one who said to him,
“The יהוה Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever’ ”),
by so much more Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
And indeed many have become priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, but he, because he continues forever, holds the priesthood permanently. Therefore also he is able to save completely those who draw near to אלהים God through him, because he always lives in order to intercede on their behalf.
For a high priest such as this indeed is fitting for us, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and having become exalted above the heavens, who does not need every day like the former high priests to offer up sacrifices for his own sins and then for the sins of the people, because he did this once for all when he offered up himself. For the law appoints men as high priests who have weakness, but the statement of the oath, after the law, appoints a Son, who is made perfect forever.
How does Melchizedek name meaning "King of Righteousness" compare with the last two Hebrew words יהוה צדקנו in Jeremiah 23:6 יהוה 'Righteousness of We' ?
@Brother Rando July 26 יהוה is translated Jehovah.
Google Translate has: Definitions of Jehovah - Noun: a form of the Hebrew name of God used in some translations of the Bible.
Observation is Google Translate of יהוה is actually a transliteration in some Bibles. Phrase "who was, who is, & who is to come" translates Holy יהוה name meaning.
@Brother Rando July 26 When all the people saw it, they immediately fell facedown and said: “Jehovah is the true God! Jehovah is the true God!” (1 Kings 18:39)
1 Kings 18:39 LEB => When all the people saw, they fell on their faces and said, “Yahweh, he is God! Yahweh, he is God!”
LEB uses italics " is " to show verb addition for smooth English.
Hebrew has two sets of three words spoken by the people => " יהוה הוא האלהים יהוה הוא האלהים "
" יהוה he TheGod יהוה he TheGod " literally translates four of the six words, showing "is" and "true" were NOT spoken by the people.
English does not show Hebrew singular He with plural noun אלהים God.
@Brother Rando July 26 And Yahweh said to Moses, “See, I have made you as a god אלהים to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother will be your prophet." (Exodus 7:1)
@Brother Rando July 26 Do you worship the man Moses?
No.
@Brother Rando July 26 There are Superlative titles that apply to the one true God Jehovah and Jehovah alone.
@Brother Rando July 26 * Adonay
@Brother Rando July 26 * Theon
Logos Bible Study searches in LEB show @Brother Rando alone assertion is false:
Theon is a specific grammatical spelling of Greek word theos, which has morphological code NAS for Noun Accusative Singular.
LEB Acts 19:37 has English feminine goddess translation for Greek feminine definite article preceding Greek masculine noun. Acts 19:37 has some Greek textual variations:
Acts 19:37
WH NU τὴν θεὸν ἡμῶν
“our god[dess]”
𝔓74 א A B 1739 (D* Ec την θεαν ημων our goddess)
nkjvmg rsv nrsv esv nasb niv tniv neb reb njb nab nlt hcsb net
variant/TR την θεαν υμων
“your goddess”
E* Maj
kjv nkjv nrsvmg hcsbmg
The change from ημων (“our”) to υμων (“your”) was made by scribes who thought Alexander (the speaker here), as a Jew, would not be calling Artemis (Diana) his goddess. But he was probably speaking as an Ephesian citizen when he said “our goddess.” (The feminine article την before θεον necessitates the translation “goddess.” The change from θεον to θεαν in D and E assures this meaning.) It should be noted that scribes had a way of showing that θεον (“God”) here does not signify the Deity, the God of the Jews and Christians. They could do this by not writing it as a nomen sacrum (Θ̅Ν̅); rather, they could write out the word in plene (θεον) and thereby show they did not consider the word to have divine titular status. English translators do the same by not capitalizing the first letter of “God”—hence, “god.” The scribes of 𝔓74 א A B D E, who normally used the nomen sacrum for θεος, wrote the word out in full here (θεον) in order to show that it is not a divine title.
Philip W. Comfort, New Testament Text and Translation Commentary: Commentary on the Variant Readings of the Ancient New Testament Manuscripts and How They Relate to the Major English Translations (Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., 2008), 413.
Holy יהוה name is the only word in Scripture that always = Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God.
@Brother Rando July 26 Adonay and Aăḏōwn spelled אֲד֖וֹן were used but then watered down by trinitarian translators using non-superlative titles such as Adonai ("My Lord") or Elohim (literally means 'gods' but treated as singular when meaning "God") in prayer, or HaShem ("The Name") in everyday speech.
Please provide credible sources for "watered down by trinitarian translators" assertion (reads to me as unsubstantiated opinion). Remembering trinitarian dafinitions posted by @Brother Rando has me wondering about communication intent (seems @Brother Rando seeks to justify personal delusions from Watchtower Society publications, which lack truthful intent that is consistent with many Unfulfilled Watch Tower Society predictions).
Who uses HaShem in everyday speech ? (puzzled by one sentence having both trinitarian and HaShem)
@Brother Rando July 26 Adonai and Elohim are non-superlative titles and often applied to angels and men and are not exclusive. Moses himself was called elohim or the Greek term theos.
Puzzled by @Brother Rando inconsistency in assertions on July 26 : "Adonai and Elohim are non-superlative titles and often applied to angels and men and are not exclusive" & "There (Adonay & Theon) are Superlative titles that apply to the one true God Jehovah and Jehovah alone."
What scripture(s) show Adonai and Elohim applied to angels and men ? My previous Bible searches found 90% אלהים => Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God
What is the relationship of Greek term theos & theon ?
What did Pharaoh call Moses ? My Bible search in LEB did not find Moses called elohim or the Greek term theos.
Reading Exodus 7:1-18:12 story shows any request from Pharaoh for אלהים God went through Moses until Pharaoh drowned with his army.
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Christ- How is Melchizedek described in Hebrews 7:1-28 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God)Melchizedek is not God. He came from the old world that was destroyed by the flood. Melchizedek is his Given Name, a name he inherited. His real name is Shem, a son of Noah. In the same manner of Christ, the Christ was given the name Jesus, a name he inherited. (Hebrews 1:4) Christ came from the Beginning of Creation since he is the Beginning of Creation by God at (Rev 3:14) <~~~~ Click on the little letter 'c' for originator, it states the beginning!
- Just as Moses was (a) god (אלהים) (Exodus 7:1) So is Jesus Christ. (a) god
- Just as Melchizedek is High Priest and King appointed by Jehovah, so is Jesus Christ.
These are אלהים elohim (gods) in the feminine sense for they all were brought forth as with labors pains. (Created)
- There are man-made אלהים elohim (gods) that are false gods for they were created by Man.
- goddess in the book of acts is אלהים elohim (gods) that are false gods
- trinity are false gods אלהים for they were created by Man.
- trinity is a feminine noun אלהים meaning three is pagan worship
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@Brother Rando July 28 Melchizedek is not God. He came from the old world that was destroyed by the flood.
Puzzling assertion since flood is in Genesis chapters 6 thru 9 that was before Melchizedek in Genesis chapter 14.
@Brother Rando July 28 Melchizedek is his Given Name, a name he inherited. His real name is Shem, a son of Noah.
Please proviide credible source(s) that disputes phrase "without father, without mother, without genealogy" in Hebrews 7:3 about Melchizedek.
@Brother Rando July 28 Christ came from the Beginning of Creation since he is the Beginning of Creation by God at (Rev 3:14) <~~~~ Click on the little letter 'c' for originator, it states the beginning!
Personal belief about nature of God affects scripture understanding. Remember John 1:1-5 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with אלהים God, and the Word was אלהים God. This one was in the beginning with אלהים God. All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being. In him was life, and the life was the light of humanity. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it.
Remember John 1:1 begins with " Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, " "In beginning being (was) The Word, " (full quality of eternal אלהים God who spoke so everything) came into being)
Revelation 3:14 LEB => “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: “This is what the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the originator of God’s creation, says:
Revelation 3:14 SBLGNT => xΚαὶ τῷ ἀγγέλῳ τῆς ἐν Λαοδικείᾳ ἐκκλησίας γράψον· Τάδε λέγει ὁ Ἀμήν, ὁ μάρτυς ὁ πιστὸς καὶ ἀληθινός, ἡ ἀρχὴ τῆς κτίσεως τοῦ θεοῦ·
Τάδε : this is what - pronoun, demonstrative, accusative, plural, neuter
λέγει : he says - verb, present, active, indicative, 3rd person, singular (for smooth English, LEB placed "says" at end of Amen modifiers)
ὁ : the - article, nominative, singular, masculine
Ἀμήν : Amen - indeclinable, foreign, particle (this is what the Amen says)
ὁ : the - article, nominative, singular, masculine
μάρτυς : witness - noun, nominative, singular, masculine (the witness describes the Amen)
ὁ : the - article, nominative, singular, masculine
πιστὸς : faithful - adjective, nominative, singular, masculine
καὶ : and, even, also - conjunction
ἀληθινός : truthful - adjective, nominative, singular, masculine (the faithful and truthful describes the Amen)
ἡ : the - article, nominative, singular, feminime
ἀρχὴ : beginning, origin, ruler - noun, nominative, singular, feminime
τῆς : of/from the - article, genitive, singular, feminime
κτίσεως : of/from creation - noun, genitive, singular, feminime
τοῦ : of/from the - article, genitive, singular, masculine
θεοῦ : of/from God - noun, genitive, singular, masculine
My faith believes the Amen was the origen/ruler of the creation from the God, who can describe the creation beginning with wisdom being part of אלהים God said: "Let there be light!" (as Holy Light has wisdom without any sin)
@Brother Rando July 28 Just as Moses was (a) god (אלהים) (Exodus 7:1) So is Jesus Christ. (a) god
A god comparison is substantially missing scripture context, which shows scope is not similar so comparison is not applicable.
Moses was the mediator for Pharoah (one human) while Jesus is the mediator for all humans. Remember Jesus said: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you know him and have seen him.”
@Brother Rando July 28 These are אלהים elohim (gods) in the feminine sense for they all were brought forth as with labors pains. (Created)
@Brother Rando July 28 * There are man-made אלהים elohim (gods) that are false gods for they were created by Man.
@Brother Rando July 28 * goddess in the book of acts is אלהים elohim (gods) that are false gods
Logos Bible Study search in three open original language Bibles for god INTERSECTS (morph.h:N?F OR morph.g:N??F) that looks for "god" in word gloss having intersection of feminine noun (Hebrew OR Greek), which found 13 verses (includes Acts 19:37)
@Brother Rando July 28 * trinity are false gods אלהים for they were created by Man.
@Brother Rando July 28 * trinity is a feminine noun אלהים meaning three is pagan worship
Logos Bible Study search in three open original language Bibles for trinity OR trinitarian found nothing.
Trinity appeal to authority assertions by @Brother Rando lack scripture support so lack interest for me in a discussion about Scriptures.
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Christ- @Brother Rando July 28 Christ came from the Beginning of Creation since he is the Beginning of Creation by God at (Rev 3:14) <~~~~ Click on the little letter 'c' for originator, it states the beginning!I knew you would deflect and try hide the scripture.
“This is what the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the Beginning of God’s creation, says: (Rev 3:14) <~~~~ Click on the little letter 'c' for originator, it states the beginning!
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Christ- Logos Bible Study search in three open original language Bibles for trinity OR trinitarian found nothing.I know... your teaching is not in the Bible...
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@Brother Rando July 31 I knew you would deflect and try hide the scripture.
My July 31 reply included my Koine Greek translation insights about Revelation 3:14 (so repeating what @Brother Rando knows is a control manipulation attempt). Sadly "hide" reminds me of perishing in 2 Corinthians 3:4-4:5 LEB (with Hebrew words usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: יהוה as Lord & אלהים as God) =>
Now we possess such confidence through Christ toward אלהים God. Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as from ourselves, but our adequacy is from אלהים God, who also makes us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministry of death in letters carved on stone came with glory, so that the sons of Israel were not able to look intently into the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, which was transitory, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be even more with glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, by much more will the ministry of righteousness overflow with glory. For indeed what had been glorified has not been glorified in this case, on account of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was transitory came with glory, by much more what remains is with glory. Therefore, because we have such a hope, we use much boldness, and not as Moses used to place a veil over his face, in order that the sons of Israel would not stare at the end of what was transitory. But their minds were hardened. For until this very day, the same veil remains upon the reading of the old covenant, not being uncovered, because it is done away with in Christ. But until today, whenever Moses is read aloud, a veil lies upon their heart, but whenever one turns to the יהוה Lord, the veil is removed. Now the יהוה Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the יהוה Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, reflecting the glory of the יהוה Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory into glory, just as from the יהוה Lord, the Spirit. Because of this, since we have this ministry, just as we have been shown mercy, we do not lose heart, but we have renounced shameful hidden things, not behaving with craftiness or adulterating the word of אלהים God, but with the open proclamation of the truth commending ourselves to every person’s conscience before אלהים God. But if indeed our gospel is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that they would not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of אלהים God. For we do not proclaim ourselves, but Christ Jesus as יהוה Lord, and ourselves as your slaves for the sake of Jesus. For אלהים God who said, “Light will shine out of darkness,” is the one who has shined in our hearts for the enlightenment of the knowledge of the glory of אלהים God in the face of Christ.
I am powerless to choose freedom from sins against Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God for someone else. Every human has free will choice what to love most.
@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 31 Logos Bible Study search in three open original language Bibles for trinity OR trinitarian found nothing.
@Brother Rando July 31 I know... your teaching is not in the Bible...
To me, @Brother Rando assertion 'your teaching' does NOT describe me. My identity is "a follower of the Way".
Remembering trinitarian dafinitions posted by @Brother Rando has me wondering about communication intent (seems @Brother Rando seeks to justify personal delusions from Watchtower Society publications, which lack truthful intent that is consistent with many Unfulfilled Watch Tower Society predictions).@Brother Rando
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@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus July 31 Logos Bible Study search in three open original language Bibles for trinity OR trinitarian found nothing.
- Only Christians are followers of the Way. You are being blocked by the angel you rejected and refused to listen to the angel who judge Israel. The Logos is the Messenger of God. Jesus himself admits that ' I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star. (Rev 22:16)
His given Name made him better than the angels. (Hebrews 1:4) Trinitarians and Modalists alike claim God became better than the angels by the name God inherited is a false notion or concept.
Then I will ask to explain:
- How is it that God at one time was worse than the angels until he inherited the Name that made him better than the angels?
- Which angel gave God is Name?
Food for thought.
“I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him. (Exodus 23:20-21)
Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true Christians on earth worshiping 'the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Peter 1:3) In witnessing to a Samaritan woman, Jesus Christ revealed, 'God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.' (John 4:24) Jesus Christ continues his witness... 'Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.' (John 4:23) Jehovah's Witnesses follow the teachings of Jesus Christ in worshiping his God and Father.
This preaching work that Jesus Christ began two thousand years ago continues today by his followers in the door to door ministry. "Look! I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into his house and take the evening meal with him and he with me." (Rev 3:20)
Jehovah’s Witnesses preach to glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ to make his name known. (Matthew 6:9) We follow Jesus Christ, who commanded: “Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations in MY Name, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.” (Hebrew Matthew 28:19)
Why not take an Online Bible Study Lesson today.
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@Brother Rando August 2 Only Christians are followers of the Way.
Remember τὸν θεόν (The God) commanded followers of יהוה Salvation (Jesus) to Be Believing in Jesus the same as Be Believing in τὸν θεόν (The God):
πιστεύετε εἰς τὸν θεόν, καὶ εἰς ἐμὲ πιστεύετε (John 14:1 Greek spoken by יהוה Salvation)
Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing (Ye is olde English plural spelling of You)
True Christians believe & worship Jesus Christ as Holy יהוה Lord, who is one voice in One plural unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God.
Eternal truth is consistent. If God only has one voice (like every created being), then the John 14:1 command is inconsistent (the quality of the spirit inside the man Jesus could NOT have been fully God). If Hebrew plural spelling of אלהים God truthfully reflects One God Spirit consists of three simulteneous voices, then John 14:1 command is consistent: believing in Jesus Christ is truly the same as believing in One plural unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God.
@Brother Rando August 2 You are being blocked by the angel you rejected and refused to listen to the angel who judge Israel.
To me, @Brother Rando simply describes @Brother Rando being blinded from eternal truth & eternal life. Puzzling to me is Watchtower Society belief in Michael the archangel being Christ, but cannot describe how anything identifiable as Michael the archangel took on human flesh. JW.org theology describes life force being like electricity that has no knowledge nor identity. Humanly wonder who has more faith: atheists, evolutionists, or JW.org adherents.
@Brother Rando August 2 Trinitarians and Modalists alike claim God became better than the angels by the name God inherited is a false notion or concept.
My apologies for not understanding what it is that @Brother Rando is trying to say.
@Brother Rando August 2 Food fot thought
Posting Exodus 23:20-21 again reminds me again that the angel will not pardon your transgressions. In contrast is believing the spirit inside Jesus Christ was fully אלהים God (while The Father voice in One plural unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God was being The RIgheous King of the Universe). Holy יהוה Lord Jesus offered His human body as the substitute sacrifice for sin death penalty. Human free will choice that wants to turn from sins (repent) to Be Holy needs belief in One plural unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God that includes Holy יהוה Lord Jesus is alive: Victorious over sins & agreeing with One plural unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God about personal sins for free forgiveness and cleansing from unrighteousness.
Sadly @Brother Rando does NOT know/believe in Holy יהוה Lord Jesus (since Michael the archangel will NOT forgive sins against Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God, @Brother Rando sins against Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God are NOT forgiven).
@Brother Rando August 2 Why not take an Online Bible Study Lesson today.
Many failed prophetic predictions prove the Watchtower (JW.org) is NOT the correct communication channel for Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God so untrustworthy JW.org Bible Belief Indoctrination Lesson lacks interest for me.
Why not pray for Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God to open your eyes and read LEB without Watchtower Society ?
Why not spend equal time reading LEB (without Society aids) as the Watchtower Society wants spent reading human publications ?
LEB usually shows original sentence length: a number of sentences written by Paul have hundreds of words: e.g. Ephesians 1:3-14 & Colossians 1:9-20
Logos Bible Study has the ability to hide chapter and verse numbers so can read Bible for contextual insights. Every word has context in a sentence. Every sentence has context in a paragraph. Every paragragh has context in a larger unit.
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@Brother Rando August 2 Trinitarians and Modalists alike claim God became better than the angels by the name God inherited is a false notion or concept.
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Christ- My apologies for not understanding what it is that @Brother Rando is trying to say.False Christians claim (Hebrews 1:4) is about God becoming better than angels rather than what scriptures say:
“Behold, I am sending an Angel before you to keep and guard you on the Way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Be on your guard before Him, listen to and obey His voice; do not be rebellious toward Him or provoke Him, for He will not pardon your sins, since My Name is in Him.
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@Brother Rando August 2 Trinitarians and Modalists alike claim God became better than the angels by the name God inherited is a false notion or concept.
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Christ- My apologies for not understanding what it is that @Brother Rando is trying to say.@Brother Rando August 4 False Christians claim (Hebrews 1:4) is about God becoming better than angels rather than what scriptures say:
I agree @Brother Rando is currently more qualified to identify & describe False Christians, which includes @Brother Rando (per Matthew 7:1-5).
Please expand
ChristtoChrist Michael the archangelthat truthfully shows JW.org & @Brother Rando interpretation of Christ being Michael the archangel.Hebrews 1:1-9 LEB (with Hebrew word usually translated by Jewish scholars in LXX: אלהים as God) =>
Although אלהים God spoke long ago in many parts and in many ways to the fathers by the prophets, in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the world, who is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, sustaining all things by the word of power. When he had made purification for sins through him, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become by so much better than the angels, by as much as he has inherited a more excellent name than theirs.
For to which of the angels did he ever say,
“You are my son, today I have begotten you,”
and again,
“I will be his father, and he will be my son”?
And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,
“And let all the angels of אלהים God worship him.”
And concerning the angels he says,
“The one who makes his angels winds, and his servants a flame of fire,”
but concerning the Son,
“Your throne, O אלהים God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this אלהים God, your אלהים God, has anointed you with the olive oil of joy more than your companions.
How could the throne of the Son truly be forever if the Son was the first creation ?
Does Michael the archangel (along with all the other angels of אלהים God) worship the Son Jesus Christ ?
Remember Righteous יהוה name sharing declared centuries earlier in Jeremiah 23:5-6 LEB =>
“Look, days are coming,” declares יהוה Yahweh, “when I will raise up for David a righteous branch, and he will reign as king, and he will achieve success, and he will do justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell in safety, and this is his name by which he will be called: ‘יהוה Yahweh is our righteousness.’
Hebrew noun (construct spelling => of) for righteousness has pronoun, suffixed, 1st person, plural whose literal translation is: 'יהוה Yahweh righteousness of We'
@Brother Rando August 4 “Behold, I am sending an Angel before you to keep and guard you on the Way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Be on your guard before Him, listen to and obey His voice; do not be rebellious toward Him or provoke Him, for He will not pardon your sins, since My Name is in Him.
Posting Exodus 23:20-21 another time reminds me again that the angel will not pardon your transgressions. In contrast is believing the spirit inside Jesus Christ was fully אלהים God (while The Father voice in One plural unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God was being The RIgheous King of the Universe). Holy יהוה Lord Jesus offered His human body as the substitute sacrifice for sin death penalty. Human free will choice that wants to turn from sins (repent) to Be Holy needs belief in One plural unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God that includes Holy יהוה Lord Jesus is alive: Victorious over sins & agreeing with One plural unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God about personal sins for free forgiveness and cleansing from unrighteousness.
Sadly @Brother Rando does NOT know/believe in Holy יהוה Lord Jesus (since Michael the archangel will NOT forgive sins against Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God, @Brother Rando sins against Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God are NOT forgiven).
Humanly wonder how much of the Bible has been read by @Brother Rando ? (posts have had a number of snippets lacking larger context)
Remember larger context for Exodus 23:20-21 includes: And יהוה said to Moses ... Exodus 23:20-23 NWT online =>
20 “I am sending an angel ahead of you+ to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.+ 21 Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions,+ because my name is in him. 22 However, if you strictly obey his voice and do all that I say, I will show hostility to your enemies and oppose those who oppose you. 23 For my angel will go ahead of you and will bring you to the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites, and I will annihilate them.
When were the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites annihilated ?
What is the modern relevance of the angel sent by יהוה to guard Jewish people on the way from Egypt to the promised land thousands of years ago ?
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Christ- Hebrew noun (construct spelling => of) for righteousness has pronoun, suffixed, 1st person, plural whose literal translation is: 'יהוה Yahweh righteousness of We'Teaching is false and antichristian. No such teaching of We.
Shema reads:
Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
- Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,
- The scribe said to him: “Teacher, you spoke well, in line with truth, ‘He is One, and there is no other besides him’;
- there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
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Christ- Hebrew noun (construct spelling => of) for righteousness has pronoun, suffixed, 1st person, plural whose literal translation is: 'יהוה Yahweh righteousness of We'Please expand
ChristtoChrist Michael the archangelthat truthfully shows JW.org & @Brother Rando interpretation of Christ being Michael the archangel.@Brother Rando August 5 Teaching is false and antichristian. No such teaching of We.
Hebrew word formation can include suffuxed pronoun: e.g. last word in Jeremiah 23:6 צִדְקֵֽנוּ
Logos Bible Study has a pop-up to show Hebrew word components along with Information Tool
From a human perspective, the last two words in Jeremiah 23:6 " יהוה צדקנו " were translated in NWT as " Jehovah Is Our Righteousness " and in LEB as " Yahweh is our righteousness " with is italicized to show word added for smooth Modern English.
FWIW: one of my human regrets is not learning Hebrew language sooner.
Reviewing & pondering Hebrew Consruct has my improved literal translation: ' יהוה Yahweh of Righteousness We ' having no verb with of italicized to show Hebrew construct and reflecting יהוה Yahweh perspective for name declaration. Hebrew suffixed 1st person plural pronoun that can be translated We (nominative), Our (genitive), Us (accusative) so translators embed contextual pronoun purpose belief interpretation.
@Brother Rando August 5 Shema reads:
@Brother Rando August 5 Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
Deuteronomy 6:4 unpointed Hebrew => שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד
Deuteronomy 6:4 pointed Hebrew => שְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהוָ֥ה אֶחָֽד
sh'-MA = שְׁמַ֖ע : Hear & Obey - verb, Qal, imperative, 2nd person, Masculine (Imperative kind of action = Command)
yis-ra-AYL = יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל : Israel - noun, proper, singular, absolute
a-do-NAI = יהוה : YHVH - noun, proper, masculine, singular, absolute (a-do-NAI is the Hebrew word Lord)
e-lo-HAY-nu = אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ : of plural God We/Our/Us - noun, common, masculine, plural, with pronoun suffixed, 1st person
a-do-NAI = יהוה : YHVH - noun, proper, masculine, singular, absolute (a-do-NAI is the Hebrew word Lord)
e-KHAD = אֶחָֽד : one/only - numeral, cardinal, singular, absolute
Israel365 Bible has Hebrew transliteration showing emphasized syllable for pronounciation (with Jewish spoken substitute for יהוה)
Human genitive perspective for suffixed 1st person plural pronoun is in @Brother Rando quote and Deuteronomy 6:4 LEB => Hear, Israel, Yahweh our God, Yahweh is unique.
My literal translation relfecting יהוה Yahweh perspective => Hear & Obey Israel יהוה Yahweh of plural God We יהוה Yahweh only
What is plural We in One unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God ?
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Christ- Hebrew noun (construct spelling => of) for righteousness has pronoun, suffixed, 1st person, plural whose literal translation is: 'יהוה Yahweh righteousness of We'There is no Such Scripture that has the word "WE". You're twisting scripture.
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Christ- Hebrew noun (construct spelling => of) for righteousness has pronoun, suffixed, 1st person, plural whose literal translation is: 'יהוה Yahweh righteousness of We'Please expand
ChristtoChrist Michael the archangelthat truthfully shows JW.org & @Brother Rando interpretation of Christ being Michael the archangel.@Brother Rando August 5 There is no Such Scripture that has the word "WE". You're twisting scripture.
Lexham Hebrew Bible has "we" in pop-up gloss:
Hebrew suffixed 1st person plural pronoun that can be translated We (nominative), Our (genitive), Us (accusative) so translators embed contextual pronoun purpose belief interpretation.
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ChristHebrew suffixed 1st person plural pronoun that can be translated We (nominative), Our (genitive), Us (accusative) so translators embed contextual pronoun purpose belief interpretation.Holman Christian Standard Bible
In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. This is what He will be named: Yahweh Our Righteousness.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In his days Yehuda shall be redeemed and Israel shall dwell in quietness, and this is his name that they shall call him: ‘LORD JEHOVAH Our Righteousness’
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell in safety: and this is his name by which he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell safely. This is his name by which he will be called: Yahweh our righteousness.
When Judah was SAVED and Israel dwelled in SAFETY- They are the OUR Not the Messiah whom you rejected. They murdered him. So Happy you are not allowed to use Christ. Deceptive faith is useless. Mary not the Mother of three voices or three colors. Just made up dogma of trinity. Source is Anti-Christian LEB- who can trust someone who removes "to be Christ"? Who can trust a false prophet who gives false dates about temple. Unfulfilled dogma of trinity cannot be trusted. Claims Judah and Israel WE not OUR -- trying to make ANTI-CHRIST WE!
@BroRando False Propaganda
@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus United Allied States (UAS) => https://uas.govt.agency First Presidential Election is Thu 30 July 2020, the 9th of Av 5780 whose history includes Holy Temple destruction in Jerusalem by the Babylonians in 3336 (423 BCE) and by the Romans in 3829 (69 CE).
My apologies for not checking historical Jewish Temple destruction year dates from Jewish website Chabad.org before posting to Christian Discourse in the NEWS & CURRENT EVENTS category (when watching in June 2020 to see who would be elected as the first UAS president).
Learning Chabad.org has 738 Knowledge Base articles about "Holy Temple, The" Response from comments in Aug 2008 about Jewish Temple destruction dates were referred to the Knowledge Base link. Personally do not know what traditional Jewish sources were used (accounts of the people who were actually there at the time). Hoping to research & find two OR three verifiable factual witnesses for Jewish Temple dating.
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ChristHebrew suffixed 1st person plural pronoun that can be translated We (nominative), Our (genitive), Us (accusative) so translators embed contextual pronoun purpose belief interpretation.Please expand
ChristtoChrist Michael the archangelthat truthfully shows JW.org & @Brother Rando interpretation of Christ being Michael the archangel.My apologies for not knowing when Our (genitive) became the preferred human interpretive choice of name declared by יהוה Yahweh as the Greek LXX has a Priestly name that did not translate the Hebrew suffixed 1st person plural pronoun. The 1537 Matthews Bible has: "Even The Lord Our Righteous Maker".
@Brother Rando August 6 Deceptive faith is useless.
We agree.
@Brother Rando August 6 Mary not the Mother of three voices or three colors.
We agree.
@Brother Rando August 6 Just made up dogma of trinity.
Remember I am a follower of The Way, who does not know what trinity means to @Brother Rando & JW.org (trinity & trinitarian have been used as a straw man argument without secular agreement).
@Brother Rando August 6 Source is Anti-Christian LEB- who can trust someone who removes "to be Christ"?
Remember JW.org library includes three Bibles that do NOT have "to be Christ" in Mark 1:34 so is JW.org Anti-Christian per @Brother Rando ?
Mark 1:34 KJV => 34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.
Mark 1:34 ASV => 34 And he healed many that were sick with divers diseases, and cast out many demons; and he suffered not the demons to speak, because they knew him.
Mark 1:34 The Bible in Living English => 34 and he cured many who were ill with various diseases, and expelled many demons, and would not let the demons speak, because they knew him.
@Brother Rando August 6 Who can trust a false prophet who gives false dates about temple.
Who can trust JW.org Watchtower publication in October 2011 "When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? - Part Two footnote par.14 Note: None of the secular experts quoted in this article hold that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B.C.E.
Remember many failed prophetic predictions prove the Watchtower (JW.org) is NOT the correct communication channel for Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God. Could Watchtower Society (JW.org) be guilty of False Propaganda for 607 B.C.E. date (corrected from 606 B.C.E. by Charles Taze Russell) that is different than secular and academic sources, which is crucial for calculating 1914, a failed prophetic prediction ?
Please read https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/607-1914.php
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Christ- My apologies for not knowing when Our (genitive) became the preferred human interpretive choice of name declared by יהוה Yahweh as the Greek LXX has a Priestly name that did not translate the Hebrew suffixed 1st person plural pronoun. The 1537 Matthews Bible has: "Even The Lord Our Righteous Maker".Now that you know your falsehood is exposed by using the word "WE" which was man-made. Our is only genitive because Israel was the figurative Son of Jehovah. So when Jesus claimed to be God's Son, they seeked to kill him because they did not want to lose their positions.
Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? If he called ‘gods' those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? (John 10:34-36)
