Why Are Some Kids Not Being Reunited At Border?

While some members like @C_M_ want to criticize the Trump Administration and ICE and defend criminal activity because of the missed deadline by HHS to reunite all kids with their families, some context should help show that liberal hysteria is just that, hysteria.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/07/13/heres-why-the-hhs-couldnt-reunite-a-dozen-children-at-the-border-n2499822

The tragedy is not the Trump administration. The tragedy are the criminals that don't care about their kids.

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  • reformed
    reformed Posts: 3,176

    It is telling that the liberals @C_M_ @Bill_Coley don't want to engage this. I guess it is because it blows their talking points out of the water.

  • Bill_Coley
    Bill_Coley Posts: 2,675

    @reformed said:
    It is telling that the liberals @C_M_ @Bill_Coley don't want to engage this. I guess it is because it blows their talking points out of the water.

    Exactly which "talking points" does the story to which you linked blow out of the water, reformed?

    • That The Trump Administration's "zero tolerance" policy separated children from their parents at a rate FAR greater than the rate experienced in previous administrations? No.
    • That the Administration could have continued the Bush43- and Obama-era policy that is casually named "catch and release," but chose instead a policy that separated children from their parents? No.
    • That the Trump Administration's "zero tolerance" policy resulted in thousands of children being separated from their families? No.
    • That the Administration has yet to reunite all of those children with their families? No. In fact, the article to which you linked closes with a two sentence acknowledgement of the Administration's failure to meet a court-imposed reunification deadline, a failure that resulted in its request for an extension.
    • That the parents of 12 of the youngest children separated from their families chose to leave their kids in America's care when they were deported? No. NOT because that's not what the article says! (the article indeed makes that point) But because that's not one of our "talking points."

    And as for things CD posters "don't want to engage," what do you think it "blows out of the water" that THREE TIMES in another thread I've asked you the following question, and three times you've chosen not to address it?

    • And for the fourth time: What about your claim that the AG didn't have to recuse? I quoted the government rule upon which Sessions based his decision, and asked how you interpret that section in a way that supports your view that recusal was not necessary. I ask the question yet again.
  • Mitchell
    Mitchell Posts: 668

    I am not sure what the user named Reform means by the term 'liberals' when used to describe, label or maybe attempt to pigeonhole users like Bill Coley:

    If someone says they’re conservative, do they mean they’re in favor of conserving the current level of government or are they a Barry Goldwater-type conservative who supports smaller government? Do they mean they’re fiscally, socially, or culturally conservative? Similar issues arise when someone says they’re liberal. Do they mean they’re a classical liberal like Grover Cleveland or a modern liberal who favors increasing the size and power of government? Are they socially, culturally, or economically liberal? The answers to these questions will reveal more about their views than simply using a word with many different meanings.

    https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/why-liberal-and-conservative-are-no-longer-useful-political-terms/

  • reformed
    reformed Posts: 3,176

    @Mitchell said:
    I am not sure what the user named Reform means by the term 'liberals' when used to describe, label or maybe attempt to pigeonhole users like Bill Coley:

    If someone says they’re conservative, do they mean they’re in favor of conserving the current level of government or are they a Barry Goldwater-type conservative who supports smaller government? Do they mean they’re fiscally, socially, or culturally conservative? Similar issues arise when someone says they’re liberal. Do they mean they’re a classical liberal like Grover Cleveland or a modern liberal who favors increasing the size and power of government? Are they socially, culturally, or economically liberal? The answers to these questions will reveal more about their views than simply using a word with many different meanings.

    https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/why-liberal-and-conservative-are-no-longer-useful-political-terms/

    I could say idiots but that wouldn't be nice. Bill likes "Progressive" but that assumes they are making progress, I contend they take us backwards into depravity and ruin.

  • Bill_Coley
    Bill_Coley Posts: 2,675

    @reformed said:
    I could say idiots but that wouldn't be nice. Bill likes "Progressive" but that assumes they are making progress, I contend they take us backwards into depravity and ruin.

    The self-control on display in your not calling "liberals" such as I "idiots" is inspiring, reformed. Talk about someone "making progress"! :p

    What would be even more inspiring is your response to the following question, which I originally asked of you in another thread, and pose to you now for the fifth time:

    And for the fifth time: What about your claim that the AG didn't have to recuse from the Trump-Russian investigation? I quoted the government rule upon which Sessions based his decision, and asked how you interpret that section in a way that supports your view that recusal was not necessary. I ask the question yet another time.

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Posts: 1,368
    edited July 2018

    One really good reason for the occasional delay of reuniting "families"...

    “Since the launch of Operation Predator in 2003, HSI has arrested more than 16,000 individuals for crimes against children – including the production and distribution of online child pornography, traveling overseas for sex with minors, and sex trafficking of children,” ICE divulged. “In fiscal year 2016, more than 2,600 child predators were arrested by HSI special agents under this initiative and more than 800 victims identified or rescued.”

  • reformed
    reformed Posts: 3,176

    @GaoLu said:
    One really good reason for the occasional delay of reuniting "families"...

    “Since the launch of Operation Predator in 2003, HSI has arrested more than 16,000 individuals for crimes against children – including the production and distribution of online child pornography, traveling overseas for sex with minors, and sex trafficking of children,” ICE divulged. “In fiscal year 2016, more than 2,600 child predators were arrested by HSI special agents under this initiative and more than 800 victims identified or rescued.”

    Why bother, they don't want to hear truth...

  • Bill_Coley
    Bill_Coley Posts: 2,675

    @reformed said:

    @GaoLu said:
    One really good reason for the occasional delay of reuniting "families"...

    “Since the launch of Operation Predator in 2003, HSI has arrested more than 16,000 individuals for crimes against children – including the production and distribution of online child pornography, traveling overseas for sex with minors, and sex trafficking of children,” ICE divulged. “In fiscal year 2016, more than 2,600 child predators were arrested by HSI special agents under this initiative and more than 800 victims identified or rescued.”

    Why bother, they don't want to hear truth...

    Perhaps "the truth" we DO "want to hear" is the actual truth, and not misleading or incomplete depictions of it, as offered by Gao Lu's post.

    Ten minutes online revealed more about "Operation Predator" and the HSI (Homeland Security Investigations), including the fact that the operation is NOT a US-Mexico border control policy - meaning that the numbers cited in the quotation Gao Lu included in his post do NOT report the incidence of child pornography/exploitation among asylum seekers at our southern border - but is rather an international effort to punish and reduce crimes against children REGARDLESS of whether those committing the crimes attempt to cross international borders (find that quotation HERE, by the way).

    Any non-zero number that counts crimes against children is frightening and a cause for action. But Gao Lu's post's reference to cumulative results over a 15 year period of an HSI operation that is global not regional, and intra- as well as international is decidedly misleading.

    To offer an accurate comparison to the border crossing situation at issue on our southern border, we need to know....

    1. How many of the more than 16,000 HSI has arrested since 2003 had sought, planned to seek, or were in process of seeking asylum along our southern border? Chances are, very few.
    2. How many of those thousands of people were or planned to be among the more than 300,000 undocumented people entering the US each year? Even if ALL 16,000 were US border crossers - something that almost certainly is not the case - that would mean less than 0.5% of all border crossers were involved in the HSI operation. Do we formulate immigration policy around illegal behaviors not found in 99.5% of those who want to immigrate?

    I'm sure we all remember the administration's laughably deceptive claim in June of this year of a scary 314% increase in the number of children trying to cross our border, but not with other family members. That increase raised the percentage of all claimed family crossings that actually were not family units all the way to 0.61%.... which I have to admit is a frightening 22% higher than 0.5%. Sound the alarm.

    3) BOTTOM LINE: Whatever the 15 year results of the HSI operation, how prevalent is child sex trafficking among the people who seek asylum at our southern border? What percentage of the parents the Trump administration separated from their kids were suspected of such crimes? (Spoiler alert: If our resident Trumpsters can't give reliable stats on this matter, it's probably because stats supportive of the administration's policy do not exist.)

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Posts: 1,368
    edited July 2018

    Yeah, right, Bill. I suppose they came from Canada. There does exist some possibility that some of those numbers did not come from Mexico, yet even if a mere 1% did, the actions of HSI and ICE are justifiable.

    @reformed

    Why bother, they don't want to hear truth...

    Yes, this is just a trolling place for a few people (perhaps not so many as it appears). I post it for non-trolls who are interested.

  • reformed
    reformed Posts: 3,176

    @Bill_Coley said:

    @reformed said:

    @GaoLu said:
    One really good reason for the occasional delay of reuniting "families"...

    “Since the launch of Operation Predator in 2003, HSI has arrested more than 16,000 individuals for crimes against children – including the production and distribution of online child pornography, traveling overseas for sex with minors, and sex trafficking of children,” ICE divulged. “In fiscal year 2016, more than 2,600 child predators were arrested by HSI special agents under this initiative and more than 800 victims identified or rescued.”

    Why bother, they don't want to hear truth...

    Perhaps "the truth" we DO "want to hear" is the actual truth, and not misleading or incomplete depictions of it, as offered by Gao Lu's post.

    Ten minutes online revealed more about "Operation Predator" and the HSI (Homeland Security Investigations), including the fact that the operation is NOT a US-Mexico border control policy - meaning that the numbers cited in the quotation Gao Lu included in his post do NOT report the incidence of child pornography/exploitation among asylum seekers at our southern border - but is rather an international effort to punish and reduce crimes against children REGARDLESS of whether those committing the crimes attempt to cross international borders (find that quotation HERE, by the way).

    Any non-zero number that counts crimes against children is frightening and a cause for action. But Gao Lu's post's reference to cumulative results over a 15 year period of an HSI operation that is global not regional, and intra- as well as international is decidedly misleading.

    To offer an accurate comparison to the border crossing situation at issue on our southern border, we need to know....

    1. How many of the more than 16,000 HSI has arrested since 2003 had sought, planned to seek, or were in process of seeking asylum along our southern border? Chances are, very few.
    2. How many of those thousands of people were or planned to be among the more than 300,000 undocumented people entering the US each year? Even if ALL 16,000 were US border crossers - something that almost certainly is not the case - that would mean less than 0.5% of all border crossers were involved in the HSI operation. Do we formulate immigration policy around illegal behaviors not found in 99.5% of those who want to immigrate?

    I'm sure we all remember the administration's laughably deceptive claim in June of this year of a scary 314% increase in the number of children trying to cross our border, but not with other family members. That increase raised the percentage of all claimed family crossings that actually were not family units all the way to 0.61%.... which I have to admit is a frightening 22% higher than 0.5%. Sound the alarm.

    3) BOTTOM LINE: Whatever the 15 year results of the HSI operation, how prevalent is child sex trafficking among the people who seek asylum at our southern border? What percentage of the parents the Trump administration separated from their kids were suspected of such crimes? (Spoiler alert: If our resident Trumpsters can't give reliable stats on this matter, it's probably because stats supportive of the administration's policy do not exist.)

    Bill we already know you live in a fantasy liberal point of view world. We know you don't have a concept of reality.

  • Bill_Coley
    Bill_Coley Posts: 2,675

    @GaoLu said:
    Yeah, right, Bill. I suppose they came from Canada. There does exist some possibility that some of those numbers did not come from Mexico, yet even if a mere 1% did, the actions of HSI and ICE are justifiable.

    Your response fails to provide ANY data that report how many of those 16,000 persons arrested by Operation Predator WORLDWIDE (and in many cases NOT in the process of crossing international borders!) sought asylum in the US or were for other reasons trying to cross the US border. In fact, your response, Gao Lu, in my view reflects no awareness of the fact the Operation Predator, as I noted in my previous post, is NOT a US-Mexico border program at all; it is an INTERNATIONAL effort to apprehend child pornography/trafficking/et al perpetrators WHEREVER they live, REGARDLESS of whether they try to cross an international border. So your snark about their coming from Canada is as off-point and baseless as your original innuendo that the 16,000 were US-Mexico border crossers.

    You're of course welcome to your own view of the deserved impact of the activities of (at most) 0.5% or 0.61% of potential immigrants on US immigration policy, but I won't welcome you to the misleading presentation of your choice when it comes to the nature of the Operation Predator program (it's NOT a US-Mexico border control program) or the proportion of the 16,000 arrested that were caught up in it.

    The invitation remains open, however! If you have data - what those of us who don't live in Trumpster Nation call "facts" or "objective truth" - please share.

    @reformed

    Why bother, they don't want to hear truth...

    Yes, this is just a trolling place for a few people (perhaps not so many as it appears). I post it for non-trolls who are interested.

    I think it's more accurate to suggest that you post for those who won't evaluate or ask you to back up your speculations.

  • Bill_Coley
    Bill_Coley Posts: 2,675

    @reformed said:

    Bill we already know you live in a fantasy liberal point of view world. We know you don't have a concept of reality.

    Your response, reformed, contains not a single relevant statistic or data point, nor not one argument that counters or even substantively engages the content of the post to which it purports to respond. Hence, your response to my post offers more evidence of an axiom regularly proved wise in these forums: If you can't beat the message, beat the messenger.

    But I offer the same invitation to you that I offered to Gao Lu: If, in addition to your critique of my grasp on "reality," you have on-topic data - what those of us who don't live in Trumpster Nation call "facts" or "objective truth" - please share.

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Posts: 1,368

    Proverbs 10:18 - He that hideth hatred [with] lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, [is] a fool.

  • Bill_Coley
    Bill_Coley Posts: 2,675

    @GaoLu said:
    Proverbs 10:18 - He that hideth hatred [with] lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, [is] a fool.

    I grant your ability to quote Bible verses. What I question is your ability to present data that support your assertions of a purported connection between the HSI program called Operation Predator and the Trump administration's separation of children from their families.

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Posts: 1,368
    edited July 2018

    One notable difference between what you know and what I know is that I have been directly involved in rescuing such kids as part of my work for many years. You simply don't have a clue about such things and yet you speak. Readers must take that into consideration.

    Job 40:4-5
    "... I am insignificant. How can I reply to You? I place my hand over my mouth. I have spoken once, but I have no answer—twice, but I have nothing to add.”

  • Bill_Coley
    Bill_Coley Posts: 2,675

    @GaoLu said:
    One notable difference between what you know and what I know is that I have been directly involved in rescuing such kids as part of my work for many years. You simply don't have a clue about such things and yet you speak. Readers must take that into consideration.

    I'm sure readers WILL take into consideration our respective involvements in the rescues of "such kids," even as they take into consideration that those involvements are irrelevant to the question at issue in our current exchange: Is the Homeland Security Investigations program called "Operation Predator," in your words, "one really good reason for the occasional delay of reuniting 'families'"?

    Readers will likely also consider the significance of the fact that you chose to abandon the HSI program altogether after I showed that it is not a US-Mexico border control program, and in fact seeks to prosecute offenders around the world, whether they leave their home countries or not. That is, I showed that Operation Predator does not serve the purposes for which you originally offered it, and rather than to disagree, you chose to change the subject from the HSI program to our respective involvements in child rescues... and to quote from the book of Job verses that seem to tell us that you don't want to talk about it anymore.

    So the course of our current exchange has been this:
    1. You offered Operation Predator as a "really good reason" to "delay reuniting families."
    2. I showed that Operation Predator is of little relevance to the Trump administration's decision to separate children from their families.
    3. You changed the subject from Operation Predator to our personal experiences in child rescues, and told us you're done talking.

    We've indeed each given readers something to consider.

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Posts: 1,368

    I changed no subject and stand by my original posts and add the credence of years of personal experience. You blather, and you clearly have neither knowledge nor experience. You showed nothing.

  • C Mc
    C Mc Posts: 4,463

    Why Are Some Kids Not Being Reunited At Border?

    @reformed said:

    The tragedy is not the Trump administration. The tragedy are the criminals that don't care about their kids.

    No, not so! Real answer:

    Government: 463 migrant parents may have been deported without their children.

    In short,

    hatred, incompetence, and BOLDFACE PUBLIC KIDNAPPING!

    READ THE FULL ARTICLE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/government-signals-463-parents-of-migrant-children-may-have-been-deported/2018/07/23/31b522f8-8ed5-11e8-9b0d-749fb254bc3d_story.html?utm_term=.3820d5b80e80

    The Trump administration said in a court filing Monday that 463 parents of migrant children are no longer present in the United States, indicating that the number of mothers and fathers potentially deported without their children during the “zero tolerance” border crackdown could be far larger than previously acknowledged.

    The progress report to U.S. District Judge Dana M. Sabraw cautioned the 463 cases are “under review,” meaning the filing was not a definitive tally of all migrant parents who have been deported while their children remain in U.S. government shelters.

    Sabraw has issued the Trump administration a 30-day deadline — expiring Thursday — to quickly reunite as many separated families as possible, and last week he asked the government to clarify how many of the more than 2,500 parents eligible for reunions are no longer in the country. He also temporarily suspended deportations of families that have been reunited.

    Monday’s filing included no additional explanation, but the government is scheduled to brief the court Tuesday afternoon about its progress in the reunification effort, and will probably provide more details about the whereabouts of the 463 parents.

    Their numbers amount to nearly one-fifth of the parents who were potentially separated from their children before Trump’s June 20 executive order halting the practice....

    This is what it is, Wrong! Adopt children, don't kidnap them! CM

  • Bill_Coley
    Bill_Coley Posts: 2,675
    [HAVING ISSUES WITH THE OPTIONS ABOVE THE POST EDITING WINDOWS. RIGHT 2/3 OF BUTTONS MISSING, BUT ONLY ON THIS THREAD. ODD. HENCE, THE DIFFERENT LOOKING POST BELOW:


    > @GaoLu said:
    > I changed no subject and stand by my original posts and add the credence of years of personal experience. You blather, and you clearly have neither knowledge nor experience. You showed nothing.

    As YOU reported it in one of YOUR posts...
    https://christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/6854/#Comment_6854

    the "subject" was what you called "one really good reason for the occasional delay of reuniting 'families,'" that reason being the results of a program called "Operation Predator."

    Since I challenged the relevance of the global effort against those who exploit children, EVEN IF THE ACCUSED DON'T CROSS INTERNATIONAL BORDERS, you haven't mentioned Operation Predator. Instead, you've chosen to leverage what you called "the credence of (your) years of personal experience," your "(direct involvement) in rescuing such kids as part of (your) work for many years."

    So the "subject" of our exchange went from the results of a government program called Operation Predator - which, by the way, was the ONLY subject of the post in which you first referred to it - to your personal experience with rescuing children. Whatever else we can say about those two "subjects," we can obviously say they are not the same.

    That you "stand by" your original posts means nothing since you're not willing to support your original posts. You've made one reference to Operation Predator - in the first post to which I responded - and in response to my challenge of its relevance, have abandoned it completely. You haven't even mentioned it, let alone stood by it. You've posted lots of words and issued some of your characteristic off-topic snark, but you haven't stood by your claim.

    For good reason! Your original claim about Operation Predator was deceptive and misleading.

    I know you "stand by" your post. I invite you to give meaning to your stand. Demonstrate with statistical data the basis for your contention that Operation Predator is relevant to US immigration policy at our southern border.
  • C Mc
    C Mc Posts: 4,463

    @Bill_Coley said:
    [HAVING ISSUES WITH THE OPTIONS ABOVE THE POST EDITING WINDOWS. RIGHT 2/3 OF BUTTONS MISSING, BUT ONLY ON THIS THREAD. ODD. HENCE, THE DIFFERENT LOOKING POST BELOW:

    For good reason! Your original claim about Operation Predator was deceptive and misleading.

    I know you "stand by" your post. I invite you to give meaning to your stand. Demonstrate with statistical data the basis for your contention that Operation Predator is relevant to US immigration policy at our southern border.

    Bill,
    The whole thing is a fraud and smoke-screen to cover the head of the government's hatred, fear, and justify public kidnapping. Call it for what it is: Familial Abortion! Why is America so mean? CM

  • reformed
    reformed Posts: 3,176

    @C_M_ said:

    Why Are Some Kids Not Being Reunited At Border?

    @reformed said:

    The tragedy is not the Trump administration. The tragedy are the criminals that don't care about their kids.

    No, not so! Real answer:

    Government: 463 migrant parents may have been deported without their children.

    In short,

    hatred, incompetence, and BOLDFACE PUBLIC KIDNAPPING!

    READ THE FULL ARTICLE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/government-signals-463-parents-of-migrant-children-may-have-been-deported/2018/07/23/31b522f8-8ed5-11e8-9b0d-749fb254bc3d_story.html?utm_term=.3820d5b80e80

    The Trump administration said in a court filing Monday that 463 parents of migrant children are no longer present in the United States, indicating that the number of mothers and fathers potentially deported without their children during the “zero tolerance” border crackdown could be far larger than previously acknowledged.

    The progress report to U.S. District Judge Dana M. Sabraw cautioned the 463 cases are “under review,” meaning the filing was not a definitive tally of all migrant parents who have been deported while their children remain in U.S. government shelters.

    Sabraw has issued the Trump administration a 30-day deadline — expiring Thursday — to quickly reunite as many separated families as possible, and last week he asked the government to clarify how many of the more than 2,500 parents eligible for reunions are no longer in the country. He also temporarily suspended deportations of families that have been reunited.

    Monday’s filing included no additional explanation, but the government is scheduled to brief the court Tuesday afternoon about its progress in the reunification effort, and will probably provide more details about the whereabouts of the 463 parents.

    Their numbers amount to nearly one-fifth of the parents who were potentially separated from their children before Trump’s June 20 executive order halting the practice....

    This is what it is, Wrong! Adopt children, don't kidnap them! CM

    BECAUSE THEY LEFT THEIR KIDS BEHIND. That's not kidnapping on the government's part, that is abandonment on the parent's part.

  • C Mc
    C Mc Posts: 4,463

    @reformed said:

    BECAUSE THEY LEFT THEIR KIDS BEHIND. That's not kidnapping on the government's part, that is abandonment on the parent's part.

    Mr. Reformed,
    Your comment above is a new low for you. You know in your heart, this is not true!
    When it comes to these people the U. S. Government acted like a nasty bully. They didn't interfere with the women at the bottom (the womb), but they stole from the top (mother's breasts) the children.

    The Government told many, if they would leave and don't apply for asylum or seek immigration, they will be reunited with their children. They were told lies, lies, and more lies. What happened at the border was kidnapping in broad daylight without masks, ropes, tapes, and ransom notes. However, your government used guns, vans, handcuffs, tents, separation, isolation, and cages with a poorly drafted law to justify public kidnapping. All this by a President who's supposed to be a Christian and Christians who are proud of this President. The Heavens cries for these parents! This dastardly immoral deed will not go unanswered by God or man. Reformed, you shouldn't stand with this behavior. Where is GaoLu's voice on this matter?

    America seems to want the "brown" children, but not their parents. This appears to be the "middle passage" minus the slave masters and ships. America is supplying itself with this group of slaves with these stolen children, all under the name of "abandonment". America's new form of slavery (21st Century) groom children into submission rather than beat adults into it. Today it's "them", tomorrow it's your children. Speak up and speak out! CM

  • reformed
    reformed Posts: 3,176

    @C_M_ said:

    @reformed said:

    BECAUSE THEY LEFT THEIR KIDS BEHIND. That's not kidnapping on the government's part, that is abandonment on the parent's part.

    Mr. Reformed,
    Your comment above is a new low for you. You know in your heart, this is not true!

    Based on what?

    When it comes to these people the U. S. Government acted like a nasty bully. They didn't interfere with the women at the bottom (the womb), but they stole from the top (mother's breasts) the children.

    Prove it. Wouldn't have happened if the people did not break the law in the first place.

    The Government told many, if they would leave and don't apply for asylum or seek immigration, they will be reunited with their children. They were told lies, lies, and more lies. What happened at the border was kidnapping in broad daylight without masks, ropes, tapes, and ransom notes. However, your government used guns, vans, handcuffs, tents, separation, isolation, and cages with a poorly drafted law to justify public kidnapping. All this by a President who's supposed to be a Christian and Christians who are proud of this President. The Heavens cries for these parents! This dastardly immoral deed will not go unanswered by God or man. Reformed, you shouldn't stand with this behavior. Where is GaoLu's voice on this matter?

    I trust ICE over WAPO or YOU.

    America seems to want the "brown" children, but not their parents. This appears to be the "middle passage" minus the slave masters and ships. America is supplying itself with this group of slaves with these stolen children, all under the name of "abandonment". America's new form of slavery (21st Century) groom children into submission rather than beat adults into it. Today it's "them", tomorrow it's your children. Speak up and speak out! CM

    This is a new low of insanity and stupidity for you.

  • C Mc
    C Mc Posts: 4,463

    @reformed said:

    This is a new low of insanity and stupidity for you.

    Mr. Reformed,

    Watch yourself! What kind of man are you? Where do you think you are? Get a hold of yourself. You don't have to behave this way. I'm sure, you have been taught better as a child. Remember your home training.

    You don't have the right or the professional credential to use or address anyone with the words above. This is not the behavior wanted, needed or expected in Christian Discussion. At least change your name if you're bent on not changing your behavior.

    Do you have any regards for anyone other than yourself and your partisan views? To be clear, Mr. Reformed, your pointed word usage at others in these forums are not funny or appreciated. Stop it! Think before you type or at least before you "post comments".

    There are better ways to disagree. I, nor others, in these forums, should tolerate your behavior here. If you are so out of control, maybe you should pray before you post or run your thought by your wife before you post, as GaoLu, suggested some time ago.

    You're new to these forums how did you develop such unkindness in expression so soon in CD? These forums should make you better, not bitter. Do better, please. Until you get a sure handle on things, maybe, you should send your posts to Jan for approval. We all have a self-imposed commitment to help build CD, not to tear it down. We have already lost one guy, D. Taylor. Be a part of something positive. Let's build together! CM

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Posts: 1,368
    edited July 2018

    C_M_ you should write comic strips. Maybe a novel if you are up to it (just compile your CD posts). You could give Mark Twain the runs for his money.

  • reformed
    reformed Posts: 3,176

    @C_M_ said:

    @reformed said:

    This is a new low of insanity and stupidity for you.

    Mr. Reformed,

    Watch yourself! What kind of man are you? Where do you think you are? Get a hold of yourself. You don't have to behave this way. I'm sure, you have been taught better as a child. Remember your home training.

    In my home training we call a spade a spade.

    You don't have the right or the professional credential to use or address anyone with the words above. This is not the behavior wanted, needed or expected in Christian Discussion. At least change your name if you're bent on not changing your behavior.

    How do you know what I have the credentials for?

    stu·pid·i·ty
    st(y)o͞oˈpidədē/Submit
    noun
    behavior that shows a lack of good sense or judgment.

    in·san·i·ty
    inˈsanədē/Submit
    noun
    the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
    "he suffered from bouts of insanity"
    synonyms: mental illness, madness, dementia; More
    extreme foolishness or irrationality.

    Do you have any regards for anyone other than yourself and your partisan views? To be clear, Mr. Reformed, your pointed word usage at others in these forums are not funny or appreciated. Stop it! Think before you type or at least before you "post comments".

    Who is trying to be funny? I'm sorry if you are such a snowflake that your feelings get hurt so easily. So fragile.

    There are better ways to disagree. I, nor others, in these forums, should tolerate your behavior here. If you are so out of control, maybe you should pray before you post or run your thought by your wife before you post, as GaoLu, suggested some time ago.

    Who is out of control? I'm certainly not. My words are calculated, strategic, and purposeful.

    You're new to these forums how did you develop such unkindness in expression so soon in CD? These forums should make you better, not bitter. Do better, please. Until you get a sure handle on things, maybe, you should send your posts to Jan for approval. We all have a self-imposed commitment to help build CD, not to tear it down. We have already lost one guy, D. Taylor. Be a part of something positive. Let's build together! CM

    I have a handle on things. I do not regret what I have said.

  • C Mc
    C Mc Posts: 4,463

    @GaoLu said:
    C_M_ you should write comic strips. Maybe a novel if you are up to it (just compile your CD posts). You could give Mark Twain the runs for his money.

    ---- ----------- Fool's Goal ---------------

    What words are these coming from a Christian man, I believe so sincere.
    Lies, flattery, or the truth, I could bear.
    An unguarded moment, it could be the launch of a new career.
    Riches and fame, oh, dear; if only GaoLu, was sincere.

    Lies and flattery, two words I can easily compare;
    when properly understood, leaves one bare.

    The truth, I am familiar with, reliable and strong;
    Compared to Mark Twain, how could I go wrong?

    I would write more of all that I know, in my leisure, until I am sure.
    Secure, in my writing, I can take a leave of absence and write all the day thru;
    if what GaoLu said, was true.

    Oh, what grand day it would be when I could admire and write like Twain;
    if only GaoLu, would not speak so vain. CM

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Posts: 1,368

    Fine sample contribution for such a cause! It is a sincere effort, your best? If not, understood. If so, then keep up your efforts. Just a little more time....

  • C Mc
    C Mc Posts: 4,463

    @GaoLu said:
    Fine sample contribution for such a cause! It is a sincere effort, your best? If not, understood. If so, then keep up your efforts. Just a little more time....

    ......................... When Good is Never Enough...by CM.................

    This is not by me, I must confess;
    I learned it earlier in life, it still can bless.

    It would help any man to progress, and never regress.
    All of life's efforts lead to success.

    Take note of what I say, when things are slow and I don't know;
    read the childhood mantra below:

    • "Good, better, best; never let it rest;
    • until your good is better, and your better is best".

    All that I do is never final; It's a work in progress. CM

  • @reformed said:
    BECAUSE THEY LEFT THEIR KIDS BEHIND. That's not kidnapping on the government's part, that is abandonment on the parent's part.

    very simple and very plain truth ...
    also, since the parents were (knowingly and with intent) illegal in the country and had thus committed a law violation, they are to be blamedd ... if they involve their children in their illegal doings, the worse for them ....

    You know, with all this migration flooding we are experiencing in Germany, a large number of these migrants (allegedly claiming to be refugee seekers) are under age unaccompanied (!!!) youth and children ... sent ahead to get a foothold into Germany, because once they are granted asylum, they then claim that they need their family to be rejoined with them ... bla, bla, bla, bla. Our politicians support such stupidity and bring millions of people into our social systems, resulting in funds into which German workers have paid for years from their jobs are "robbed" to dish out money and provide housing and food for these folk who never paid a penny into the system.

    Yes, I am all for re-uniting these children with their parents ... tell the parents on what flight the boy or girl will be arriving in their home country so they can pick them up. Sending an unaccompanied minor by himself/herself in the hands of human traffickers is inexcusable and a crime for a parent ...

    Seems to me that the situation with these children of parents who were illegal in the country ought to be blamed not on the government that is trying to clean up the illegal mess, but on the parents who knowingly got their children involved in their illegal activity.

    Want to put blame on the USA government ... then put it on that previous administration who apparently allowed it and who may even have actively aided in the illegal entry into the country by having a "tolerance for all" policy, but don't blame the government that is pursuing a "no tolerance of these crimes" and cleaning up what was dropped in their lap

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