CD: Where Are We Headed and What Have We Become?

C McC Mc Posts: 4,341
edited November 25 in General

Fellow Posters:

CD is becoming a potential junior satellite of the JWs Organization. A name change may be necessary.  @BroRando  is the only poster in CD who directs traffic to his website. He promotes his WT doctrines in CD as an extension of his Church. CD is supposed to be a place of discussion, not a dumping ground for one poster's hardened religious beliefs. All because there is no rule to protect one from "denominational" wholesale website dumping.

Unfortunately, Chairman Jan hasn't addressed the matter. I don't know Jan to be a JW or endorse its teachings, but this apparent free pass is alarming and, to others, sickening. JWs' unloading is equivalent to religious urine, spread over the forums, marking CD as a spot for future territory takeover and ownership, like animals in the wild. Its doctrinal (@BroRando,  shamefully denies such existence) saturation waters down the varied voices these forums demand openness.

@Bill_Coley appears to defend speak against hard-core religious dumping on CD with a passion. I have no problem with cutting pasting third-party information or voices. I have long encouraged it. Elsewhere, @Bill_Coley, in a straw-man faction of distraction, purport that I was against this practice and hypocritical because others did so. When one has the good sense to select from a third-party source, so be it. I do know all of it will not come from one source (@BroRando's JWs Website). One religious group unloading is a bit too much for me and some other posters. I mentioned this because it, too, can be a reason others consider leaving the current CD.

 @Bill_Coley, JWs, and  @BroRando seem to share a (not so secret) marriage. They share the same core religious "Jesus is not God" doctrinal love. This remaining three-some ( @Wolfgang  is on the verge of leaving) shares the Unitarian doctrinal bed. The sad truth is, I don't think @BroRando  knows what's at the base of his religious beliefs. If he knows, he is not a good "witness" about it. The foundation of NWT bears this religious stance. Why  @Bill_Coley fail to acknowledge, at least openly, that birds of feathers (opposing Christ's divinity) flock together? Bill's latest charade of minor disagreements with  @BroRando  is woefully shameful and anemic at best. The tacit slap on the hands, a blind man can see it.

Those who are not bamboozled by @Bill_Coley's self-declared, moralist, "wanna-to-be" CD mediator, temperamental responder to posters. Some of what JWs and  @BroRando  are promoting is embarrassing and indefensible (e.g., 1914, etc.). Even if  @BroRando doesn't know,  @Bill_Coley  should have known that to mix a religious group of faulty translators who inserts words, not in the original texts (Greek/Hebrew), the final product will inevitable faulty Bible at best. Bill, you should know better, even if it has "Jesus is not God" comfort text in it. When one lies in bed with faulty doctrines, one wakes up in the morning with heresy. Am I being critical of posters, this site, or sounding the alarm for change? This and other things on where do we go from here? Next time! CM


  • TruthTruth Posts: 421

    What happens if you let nature of the ungodly take its course?

  • C McC Mc Posts: 4,341

    The evident, much loss and destruction will occur if the "ungodly take its course." CD will become a "by-word and a hiss." CM

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited November 25

    CD has become what could be expected when a bull elephant stepped into a china shop. Once the bull has destroyed all, he might move on to another place to destroy or else stay and see to it that nobody interested in biblical matters will show up again.

  • TruthTruth Posts: 421

    I bear some blame for that. I came in rather strongly and probably goaded some people. I meant well, but the outcome may not have been what I hoped for.

    For my part in disturbing things in a negative way, I am very sorry.

  • C McC Mc Posts: 4,341

    Chairman Jan and Fellow CD Posters,

    I am taking the liberty to sound the alarm that CD is in trouble and needs immediate attention. As mentioned above, she's at a critical mass for a major meltdown. Hoping that she would correct herself or new posters would turn the tide are all wishful thinking at this juncture.

    A cursory view of the recent posts in CD has become comical and extreme in limited views. It's not reflective of what you (Jan) worked so hard for and envisioned. The posts are at an all-time low. CD seemed to have descended into a religious slime pit. A plethora of undesirables. e.g., petty barbs, name-calling, repetitiveness, demagogueries, and ejaculation of spurious spirituality for self-aggrandizement. One can hardly discern biblical truths for the charges and counter-charges. 

    Falsehoods without sustentation. Too many accusations and fractured knowledge in one's quest to achieve maximum smear and belittlement of the other's position, if not to one's character. All in the name of Christianity and the rights these forums allow. The pendulum has swung from too many comments on current events, namely from politics, to the extreme position about Christ, particularly, His divinity.

    I am not exempting myself from expressing altruistic indignations from time to time on current events. Recently, I vehemently opposed, via  @BroRando, JWs Website dumping on CD in its quest to proselytize. Until shown better, I remain under a particular persuasion.

    I want to suggest the following for immediate actions:

    1. All posting should immediately be halted to re-evaluate posters' commitment to CD's core objectives and principles. This action is the time and length of the Chairman, Jan, or his appointee.
      1. Review or develop a clear rationale for its continued existence. Failure to do so, the CD will end regardless (crash and burn). See my last post on this matter.
      2. Crystallize the guidelines with practical consequences.
      3. Don't allow any poster to promote its website or church affiliation on the opened forums. He may be allowed in a PM with permission of the individual request.
    2. Encourage posters to start more threads from the biblical text.
    3. Institute a thread of the month from the Chairman, Jan, from Scripture or pressing issues in the Christian World that any poster has not addressed.
    4. Established, if possible, a new category, "Books to Consider." This will cover new and old books of value and importance to Christian growth and development.
    5. Remove all former members' access to CD, especially Personal Message (PM). Restricting this privilege is to prevent contamination of new members. Notify former members in advance of impending action.
    6. Give a quarterly review of posters' data and analysis of post categories.
    7. Invite guest contributors to present a oneor two-page articles (short) from seminaries form around the country and allow current posters to comment.
    8. The Chairman or his appointee would ensure posters that submitted posts will not be changed without the writer being duly informed beforehand. The exception will be for criminal matters or extreme vulgarity.
    9. Form an independent governing body (six months term) to accept members and censor (content, members in violation, appeals, and removal of members). Self-governance is not working at this juncture. Rules must exist because of some people's propensity to abuse freedoms and privileges.
    10. Set a ceiling for the length of threads. Some are too long. Excessive length and the tendency of posters not staying on the topic lead to an assortment of nonsense.
    11. Bold, brazen, repetitive name-callers are duly warned by the Chairman or the appointed governing body. After such, a suspension for a limited period by the said body or person. After a second infraction, an extended suspension, and a third, their names are removed from the CD System.

    These guidelines need serious consideration to stop CD's hemorrhaging purpose and reputation. Immediate action is preferred. The Chairman may consider additional guidelines. Personal Message of admonishment may go to the current poster as the Chairman deems necessary. The suggestions above are to bring freshness. To expand our interest and knowledge of things in light of the times we live. One can see more from a picture window than through a keyhole. To my fellow posters, with privileges comes responsibility! Therefore we must discipline ourselves and work smarter, if not harder. CM

    PS. This post is opened reasonable suggestions to the Chairman. Be practical, sensible, and concise as possible. Thanks for your attention and support. CM 

  • TruthTruth Posts: 421
    edited December 5

    I don’t disagree with what you want, but suggest you create your own discussion board. The special interests of the present range of participants is broad and strong. Their audience is narrow and few, but for some, this may be the only audience they can get. I doubt such people will loosen their teeth on such a bone just because you or I want better. Jan can kick them out if he wants. He apparently doesn’t want. I would likely do what he is doing—maybe—just out of curiosity how badly “Christians” will behave in such an environment

    Jan can guide, threaten, make rules and more. That might make a better moderated board but there are already many such boards out there. Why don’t people go to those? Probably because this is one of the few places they can hurl verbally violent or subtle insults against others and get away with it. People tolerate it or grimace and leave. I’m new here but only 2 people here have stayed long term. Bill longest and CM next.

    The reason isn’t hard to surmise. I came initially out of startled curiosity at the oddity. Then amusement at the seriousness of the nonsense. I’ve stayed only to blink in amazement as I get to know a couple of personalities better. Will I stay long based on what I see now or historically? Nope.

    I think such a board could have value but don’t think it’s going to happen without mature people, and sadly, without moderation.

    Actually, what I’d really like to see is an unmoderated board like this dominated by mature, thinking, meaningful discourse. The nonsense would get lost in the shuffle. But I think this board is evidence that such an outcome is unlikely.

    Has such a thing ever existed anywhere? I thank Jan for trying,

    I dream of a discourse Forum where people respectfully and thoughtfully share ideas, disagreements, worship, gratitude, politics (maybe), knowledge, and teaching. Barbs and insults, slams and putdowns, subtle or overt--all would be minimized or non-existent. Grace would cover occasional misunderstandings or misbehaviors. I certainly have not modeled that here, but could and would--if we could agree to honestly try. My trust that others would is probably nil. So , I sort of roll with the "party behavior" worrying that doing so in God's vineyard is probably out of bounds.


    Am I right that this is or was an abandoned Logos Bible forum?

    Also, CM, where do you get this "Chairman" Jan stuff?

    (sorry that wasn’t short)

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